Interesting. One correction at 17:48: Muhammad claimed that Islam will split into many sects and only one will make it to paradise, that is the one that Muhammad belongs to. Quite the opposite from dominating the world. Jami' at-Tirmidhi 2641 – "… Indeed the children of Isra'il split into seventy-two sects, and my Ummah will split into seventy-three sects. All of them are in the Fire Except one sect." He said: "And which is it O Messenger of Allah?" He said: "What I am upon and my Companions." I know there are better wordings of this quote, but I can't find the specific hadith right now.
Just a few thoughts: 1. It doesn't matter your denomination, Johathan Edwards gave an amazing sermon called, "Sinner In The Hands Of An Angry God." One can read it online. 2. Regarding the End Times, The LORD God Jesus Christ has these words about the End Times, 43. But know this, that is the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect." Matthew 24 (NKJV) "Be ready," is what Jesus says.
I find it interesting that a great apostasy is always seen as a challenge to postmil, whereas postmil seems like the only position that makes it possible. Everyone else tends to see the church as in decline or at best in stasis, so it is unclear what would be great or even newsworthy about a few hundred Christians finally leaving the faith that just about everyone else has long since abandoned and forgotten about. If most of the world is nominally Christian and en masse the unfaithful leave the faith, that would look like a truly great apostasy indeed.
I never really got what translating a term from Latin to English changes. I get that preterists tend to see more prophasy about the church age as fulfilled in the sacking of Jerusalem and historists see more play out in later years. But many historists (including Edwards, IIRC) do see AD70 as a fulfillment of several prophasies, even if just a secondary fulfillment. And every preterist I've heard was more than willing to consider that Rome / the Pope / Islam are antichrists, even if secondary to Titus or Nero or other proposed primary fulfillment. Overall, both see much of prophasy as fulfilled in the church age and indeed already fulfilled, its just a matter of how they dial in the dates.
I appreciate that I didn't see the term "golden age" brought up. That is a troup that I see brought up a lot in non-postmil critiques, but not one I see explicitly endorsed by many postmil believers. I think it is trying to impute a premil idea into postmil where it usually doesn't belong.
Even a genius can be wrong. Why wouldn't believers want to see the perfection of a New Earth without sin? We may not wish to be only there. But the beauty of eternity is we have all of it to explore all He is and all He makes.
Wow that’s very interesting and I really enjoyed your take on Edwards eschatology and I would really love to hear your thoughts on other preachers eschatology as well as it’s quite fascinating what preachers of old times thought about different things in the Bible so thank you very much. Lee from Tennessee.
As a Optimistic Premillennial Christ Spiritual Reign will last until he has Conquered all Antichrist Religion and all Governments bring about Christ Reign on earth Completing plsams 110:1 Promises acts 2 Being Complete the spirit falling on all flesh and 1 Corinthians 15 the last Enemy being defeated is death being Spiritual death. Just as the first Adam brought a universal condemnation , the second Adam will bring about a Christianized World at the end of the Age before Christ Reigning on earth! This is Also the view of Reformed baptist John Gill view as well as a Historicist Premillennial Eschatology
Hello pastor, you mentioned that you share Edwards belief that “Pious magistrates will lead nations”. How do you reconcile that with your Optimistic Amilennialism?
You learn the Holy Bible by reading it and asking the Holy Spirit for understanding. Throw away man written books. They contradict one another, thus are of little value. The BOOK contains all you need to know. To greatly paraphrase, “God chose the dumb to confound the wisdom of man”. I’ll seek spiritual truth from an aged grandmother who sits in her rocking chair reading her Bible before I’ll seek it from highly educated men. Lot of pride in education.
Considering the current condition of the local churches all over the world, we would need a miracle similar to resurrecting the physically dead in order to see the Gospel success that PM holds.
I love you channel! I’m even going to try a PCA church tomorrow! On Amillenialism I don’t agree with the standard view. I think that Edwards view that technology would allow men to study theology and pray (or anything learned ) and I think it’s obvious that with technology we have just gotten lazier and sin is rampant. I would argue that in someways timesaving technology has been more of a curse. I’d also go further and say that the internet has allowed mankind to return to pre-babel, because now degenerate ideas are exported and imported around the country and the world. What was once unknown is now practiced in the daylight. I am no bastion of righteousness, but just look around; things are getting worse in every country save those which are undeveloped. Is it the end of the world? Probably not yet but it could be. I know I’m not answering all your arguments, but I think the idealism that Amillenialism requires, needs very dark sunglasses. You sort of have to trip over furries, prescription drug addicts, countries like UK crumbling before our eyes in real time and host of other things to actually believe that things are gradually getting better; almost imperceptibly. In fact so slowly it almost looks like it’s going backwards! Not being sarcastic, just joking! Great show, but I don’t buy Amillenialism
Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758) was indeed an Historicist. He would have refuted Futurism (eg. that of Pastor Matthew) and Preterism. "It is certain that the twelve hundred and sixty days, or YEARS, which are so often in Scripture mentioned as the time of the continuance of Antichrist’s reign, did not commence before the year of Christ four hundred and seventy-nine…" [Caps mine].
Anyone reading Edwards', "History of the Work of Redemption" (Works of Jonathan Edwards, Vol. 1, Unit XIII), will know that neither Futurism, nor Preterism, have a place in proper, Prophetic Interpretation and the History that accomplishes the prophecies.
Thanks for this and for answering my question on FB about JE and the Millenium
Interesting. One correction at 17:48: Muhammad claimed that Islam will split into many sects and only one will make it to paradise, that is the one that Muhammad belongs to. Quite the opposite from dominating the world.
Jami' at-Tirmidhi 2641 – "… Indeed the children of Isra'il split into seventy-two sects, and my Ummah will split into seventy-three sects. All of them are in the Fire Except one sect." He said: "And which is it O Messenger of Allah?" He said: "What I am upon and my Companions."
I know there are better wordings of this quote, but I can't find the specific hadith right now.
Just a few thoughts:
1. It doesn't matter your denomination, Johathan Edwards gave an amazing sermon called, "Sinner In The Hands Of An Angry God." One can read it online.
2. Regarding the End Times, The LORD God Jesus Christ has these words about the End Times, 43. But know this, that is the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect." Matthew 24 (NKJV) "Be ready," is what Jesus says.
I find it interesting that a great apostasy is always seen as a challenge to postmil, whereas postmil seems like the only position that makes it possible. Everyone else tends to see the church as in decline or at best in stasis, so it is unclear what would be great or even newsworthy about a few hundred Christians finally leaving the faith that just about everyone else has long since abandoned and forgotten about. If most of the world is nominally Christian and en masse the unfaithful leave the faith, that would look like a truly great apostasy indeed.
I never really got what translating a term from Latin to English changes. I get that preterists tend to see more prophasy about the church age as fulfilled in the sacking of Jerusalem and historists see more play out in later years. But many historists (including Edwards, IIRC) do see AD70 as a fulfillment of several prophasies, even if just a secondary fulfillment. And every preterist I've heard was more than willing to consider that Rome / the Pope / Islam are antichrists, even if secondary to Titus or Nero or other proposed primary fulfillment. Overall, both see much of prophasy as fulfilled in the church age and indeed already fulfilled, its just a matter of how they dial in the dates.
I appreciate that I didn't see the term "golden age" brought up. That is a troup that I see brought up a lot in non-postmil critiques, but not one I see explicitly endorsed by many postmil believers. I think it is trying to impute a premil idea into postmil where it usually doesn't belong.
Even a genius can be wrong. Why wouldn't believers want to see the perfection of a New Earth without sin? We may not wish to be only there. But the beauty of eternity is we have all of it to explore all He is and all He makes.
Thanks!
Would he be Bimillennial, like Wilhelmius Van Duyper?
Fantastic video man! Keep it up 🙏 God bless
Loved the topic.Thank you for this.
Chiliasm in any form is very odd. It’s a psychological problem I think
Wow that’s very interesting and I really enjoyed your take on Edwards eschatology and I would really love to hear your thoughts on other preachers eschatology as well as it’s quite fascinating what preachers of old times thought about different things in the Bible so thank you very much.
Lee from Tennessee.
Behold the great blinds spots of Reformed theology!
Eschatology and Israel.
"Test all things, hold to that which is good"
1 Thess 5:21-22
As a Optimistic Premillennial Christ Spiritual Reign will last until he has Conquered all Antichrist Religion and all Governments bring about Christ Reign on earth Completing plsams 110:1 Promises acts 2 Being Complete the spirit falling on all flesh and 1 Corinthians 15 the last Enemy being defeated is death being Spiritual death. Just as the first Adam brought a universal condemnation , the second Adam will bring about a Christianized World at the end of the Age before Christ Reigning on earth! This is Also the view of Reformed baptist John Gill view as well as a Historicist Premillennial Eschatology
15:51 please make a video about Christian views of the age of the Earth!
Hello pastor, you mentioned that you share Edwards belief that “Pious magistrates will lead nations”. How do you reconcile that with your Optimistic Amilennialism?
You learn the Holy Bible by reading it and asking the Holy Spirit for understanding. Throw away man written books. They contradict one another, thus are of little value. The BOOK contains all you need to know. To greatly paraphrase, “God chose the dumb to confound the wisdom of man”. I’ll seek spiritual truth from an aged grandmother who sits in her rocking chair reading her Bible before I’ll seek it from highly educated men. Lot of pride in education.
Considering the current condition of the local churches all over the world, we would need a miracle similar to resurrecting the physically dead in order to see the Gospel success that PM holds.
I love you channel! I’m even going to try a PCA church tomorrow! On Amillenialism I don’t agree with the standard view. I think that Edwards view that technology would allow men to study theology and pray (or anything learned ) and I think it’s obvious that with technology we have just gotten lazier and sin is rampant. I would argue that in someways timesaving technology has been more of a curse. I’d also go further and say that the internet has allowed mankind to return to pre-babel, because now degenerate ideas are exported and imported around the country and the world. What was once unknown is now practiced in the daylight. I am no bastion of righteousness, but just look around; things are getting worse in every country save those which are undeveloped. Is it the end of the world? Probably not yet but it could be. I know I’m not answering all your arguments, but I think the idealism that Amillenialism requires, needs very dark sunglasses. You sort of have to trip over furries, prescription drug addicts, countries like UK crumbling before our eyes in real time and host of other things to actually believe that things are gradually getting better; almost imperceptibly. In fact so slowly it almost looks like it’s going backwards! Not being sarcastic, just joking! Great show, but I don’t buy Amillenialism
Fascinating how eschatology can humble us all. Don't think it's a coincidence.
NOTHING in archaeology points to an older earth unless you accept the ludicrous "geologic column" invented to date everything alder than it is.
Excellent! Simply amazing at so many levels
Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758) was indeed an Historicist.
He would have refuted Futurism (eg. that of Pastor Matthew) and Preterism.
"It is certain that the twelve hundred and sixty days, or YEARS, which are so often in Scripture mentioned as the time of the continuance of Antichrist’s reign, did not commence before the year of Christ four hundred and seventy-nine…" [Caps mine].
Anyone reading Edwards', "History of the Work of Redemption" (Works of Jonathan Edwards, Vol. 1, Unit XIII), will know that neither Futurism, nor Preterism, have a place in proper, Prophetic Interpretation and the History that accomplishes the prophecies.
Soli Deo Gloria
Love this! Im still not sure what's the difference between Postmill and Optimistic Amill tho