What is the relationship between baptism and circumcision? Is baptism the New Testament’s version of circumcision? Consider …
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CIRCUMCISION OF FLESH, CIRCUMCISION OF HEART and FILLING WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD LORD YEHOVAH Vs WATER BAPTISM
YEHOVAH THE ALMIGHTY GOD THE MOST HIGH HAS THE FINAL SAY ON ANY MATTERS NOT PAUL OR ANY OTHER PREACHER. THE INFALLIBLE GOD LORD YEHOVAH IS BEYOND THE CONTRADICTION OF ANY FALLIBLE MAN.
Jesus never preached baptism in water as a substitute for circumcision of the flesh or circumcision of the heart as a substitute for baptism of the flesh nor filling with the holy spirit as a substitute for circumcision of the flesh which God Lord Yehovah himself commanded as a token of covenant with him for both Abraham and his seed (the children, descendants) and strangers with him God Yehovah commanded both the circumcision of the flesh and of heart. The circumcision of the flesh is not a substitute for the circumcision of the heart vise vasa neither is filling with the holy spirit a substitute for circumcision of the flesh. God Lord Yehovah called Abraham from uncircumcision unto circumcision of the flesh and heart to live a sanctified life so shall every one in uncircumcision who must serve the God of Abraham be circumcised in flesh and in heart. Antilaw christians are rather preaching syncretism with greecoroman uncircumcision. Water baptism was a doctrinal invention which cannot be used to subvert the commandments of Yehovah the true God.
Opposition against circumcision of the flesh, the law and the covenant of God Lord Yehovah is a rebellion, blasphemy and contradiction against the most high Almighty God Lord Yehovah the Lawgiver and Covenantgiver. Already circumcise Jews like Jesus the son of Joseph and non Jews that became proselytes were being baptized in water before the advent of Christianity. People should stop reducing religion to mare sectarian partisanship. People need to repent and obey Yehovah the true God
Genesis 17:1,7,9-10,12,14 ASV And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, Jehovah appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am God Almighty; walk before me, and be thou perfect. [7] And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee and to thy seed after thee. [9] And God said unto Abraham, And as for thee, thou shalt keep my covenant, thou, and thy seed after thee throughout their generations. [10] This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee: every male among you shall be circumcised. [12] And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every male throughout your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any foreigner that is not of thy seed. [14] And the uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
Deuteronomy 10:16 ASV Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Jeremiah 4:4 ASV Circumcise yourselves to Jehovah, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem; lest my wrath go forth like fire, and burn so that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
Deuteronomy 30:2,6,8 ASV and shalt return unto Jehovah thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thy heart, and with all thy soul; [6] And Jehovah thy God will circumcise thy heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love Jehovah thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. [8] And thou shalt return and obey the voice of Jehovah, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.
Nehemiah 9:7,13-14,20 ASV Thou art Jehovah the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham, [13] Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments, [14] and madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them commandments, and statutes, and a law, by Moses thy servant, [20] Thou gavest also thy good Spirit to instruct them, and withheldest not thy manna from their mouth, and gavest them water for their thirst.
Ezekiel 44:9 ASV Thus saith the Lord Jehovah, No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any foreigners that are among the children of Israel.
Isaiah 56:3,6-8 ASV Neither let the foreigner, that hath joined himself to Jehovah, speak, saying, Jehovah will surely separate me from his people; neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. [6] Also the foreigners that join themselves to Jehovah, to minister unto him, and to love the name of Jehovah, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from profaning it, and holdeth fast my covenant; [7] even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt-offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples. [8] The Lord Jehovah, who gathereth the outcasts of Israel, saith, Yet will I gather others to him, besides his own that are gathered.
You have created a quagmire for yourself when you interpret the word "baptism" (and related) in the bible as always referring to physical water dunking. In this video, you explain that someone can receive the Holy Spirit before, during, or after (later) the waters of baptism. I agree with this aspect and it is hard to imagine how someone is not saved if they believe and have received the Holy Spirit.
And you stated in this video at tt 19:57 that "God doesn't have to do it a certain way". But God already told us a certain way in John 3:5 and he did not leave any room for "other ways". You've stated previously that your interpretation of John 3:5's "born of water" is referring to physical water baptism, therefore, which is the quagmire, no one can be saved unless they are physically water baptised.
As I see it, the only way to get out of this self inflicted predictament is to recognize that not every biblical use of the word "baptism" (and related) refers to physical water dunking. Baptism must be something that takes place in the heart with or without a public water dunking.
CIRCUMCISION OF FLESH,
CIRCUMCISION OF HEART and
FILLING WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD LORD YEHOVAH
Vs
WATER BAPTISM
YEHOVAH THE ALMIGHTY GOD THE MOST HIGH HAS THE FINAL SAY ON ANY MATTERS NOT PAUL OR ANY OTHER PREACHER.
THE INFALLIBLE GOD LORD YEHOVAH IS BEYOND THE CONTRADICTION OF ANY FALLIBLE MAN.
Jesus never preached baptism in water as a substitute for circumcision of the flesh or circumcision of the heart as a substitute for baptism of the flesh nor filling with the holy spirit as a substitute for circumcision of the flesh which God Lord Yehovah himself commanded as a token of covenant with him for both Abraham and his seed (the children, descendants) and strangers with him
God Yehovah commanded both the circumcision of the flesh and of heart.
The circumcision of the flesh is not a substitute for the circumcision of the heart vise vasa neither is filling with the holy spirit a substitute for circumcision of the flesh.
God Lord Yehovah called Abraham from uncircumcision unto circumcision of the flesh and heart to live a sanctified life so shall every one in uncircumcision who must serve the God of Abraham be circumcised in flesh and in heart. Antilaw christians are rather preaching syncretism with greecoroman uncircumcision.
Water baptism was a doctrinal invention which cannot be used to subvert the commandments of Yehovah the true God.
Opposition against circumcision of the flesh, the law and the covenant of God Lord Yehovah is a rebellion, blasphemy and contradiction against the most high Almighty God Lord Yehovah the Lawgiver and Covenantgiver.
Already circumcise Jews like Jesus the son of Joseph and non Jews that became proselytes were being baptized in water before the advent of Christianity.
People should stop reducing religion to mare sectarian partisanship.
People need to repent and obey Yehovah the true God
Genesis 17:1,7,9-10,12,14 ASV
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, Jehovah appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am God Almighty; walk before me, and be thou perfect. [7] And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee and to thy seed after thee. [9] And God said unto Abraham, And as for thee, thou shalt keep my covenant, thou, and thy seed after thee throughout their generations. [10] This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee: every male among you shall be circumcised. [12] And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every male throughout your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any foreigner that is not of thy seed. [14] And the uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
Deuteronomy 10:16 ASV
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Jeremiah 4:4 ASV
Circumcise yourselves to Jehovah, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem; lest my wrath go forth like fire, and burn so that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
Deuteronomy 30:2,6,8 ASV
and shalt return unto Jehovah thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thy heart, and with all thy soul; [6] And Jehovah thy God will circumcise thy heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love Jehovah thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. [8] And thou shalt return and obey the voice of Jehovah, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.
Nehemiah 9:7,13-14,20 ASV
Thou art Jehovah the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham, [13] Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments, [14] and madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them commandments, and statutes, and a law, by Moses thy servant, [20] Thou gavest also thy good Spirit to instruct them, and withheldest not thy manna from their mouth, and gavest them water for their thirst.
Ezekiel 44:9 ASV
Thus saith the Lord Jehovah, No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any foreigners that are among the children of Israel.
Isaiah 56:3,6-8 ASV
Neither let the foreigner, that hath joined himself to Jehovah, speak, saying, Jehovah will surely separate me from his people; neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. [6] Also the foreigners that join themselves to Jehovah, to minister unto him, and to love the name of Jehovah, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from profaning it, and holdeth fast my covenant; [7] even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt-offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples. [8] The Lord Jehovah, who gathereth the outcasts of Israel, saith, Yet will I gather others to him, besides his own that are gathered.
You have created a quagmire for yourself when you interpret the word "baptism" (and related) in the bible as always referring to physical water dunking. In this video, you explain that someone can receive the Holy Spirit before, during, or after (later) the waters of baptism. I agree with this aspect and it is hard to imagine how someone is not saved if they believe and have received the Holy Spirit.
And you stated in this video at tt 19:57 that "God doesn't have to do it a certain way". But God already told us a certain way in John 3:5 and he did not leave any room for "other ways". You've stated previously that your interpretation of John 3:5's "born of water" is referring to physical water baptism, therefore, which is the quagmire, no one can be saved unless they are physically water baptised.
As I see it, the only way to get out of this self inflicted predictament is to recognize that not every biblical use of the word "baptism" (and related) refers to physical water dunking. Baptism must be something that takes place in the heart with or without a public water dunking.
So very well done. I enjoy listening, and trust me when I say, I do not listen to men hardly ever.
IF THEY ARE EQUAL THEN WE NEED TO STOP BAPTIZING FEMALES !