It's because it's a CHRISTIAN movie. That's not a dig against Christians. It's just a rule. Take comedy. Im my opinion arguably the funniest person of all time was a Christian, Norm McDonald. But he was a Christian doing comedy, NOT a Christian comedian… who's material is almost all about Christianity. There are Christians with comedic talent. But Christian comedy sucks. Take music. Christian music is terrible. Is that because Christians don't have musical tallent.? No. Bach said that the purpose of music is to glorify God. There are talented acts like America or U 2 that have Christians in the band and occasionally put Christian messages into the music. Christians can be talented but Christian comedy, music, and movies are terrible without exception.
Christian movies don’t understand how to deliver a message or the audience they want the message delivered to.
When it comes to shooting scenes, they make mistakes that a film school student does. Thinking how a shot looks good rather if it makes sense. You see a character for example walking….and rather than have the walking scene shot in an artistic captivating way, it is just……shot. Making the audience feel bored.
Take for example “A Matter of Faith”. Another scene is when a Christian is debating Evolution with a science student. The latter is making a good argument. Another Christian character (the secondary character) comes in and be like “let me ask you this. Were your parents ape? Were your grandparents parents apes? Were your great grand parents apes?” Leaving the scientist stunned. Now, anyone who knows anything about evolution knows that this is NOT a how you debate Evolution. It is not about “who was an ape?” in your family. So in what world did the writers think that this is how “smart Christian” looks like?
Not to mention they don’t tackle serious issues nor would they dare crossing that line. Doing so risks breaking their belief that movies must stay away from such themes. Putting the movie in a dilemma.
Christian movies are written to be like sermons. They’re way too heavy handed and the characters are too stereotypical as the producers don’t respect the intelligence of their intended audience.
Is God mediocre? Is God only "good enough" or just "fine"? Does God only work in our lives through direct scripture? Or does he work through nature, other people, and events?
Then why should christian based movies and music be so limited and short sighted?
Shouldn't those mediums be made for God on a level of awesomess that at least attempts to represent Him?
If we can know films like The Godfather or Rocky or Jaws or Unforgiven, then it should only stand to reason that a film speaking to and of God should be so much better. Yet they don't exisr.
If bands like Yes or Pink Floyd or Rush can be so amazing, shouldn't it be that a band that focuses on God should be even more superior? Yet turn on Joy 99.1 or listen to the tired praise songs of every comtemporary church in America and prepare to be disappointed.
The art is allowed to be a heavy player when praising God. God created art. He created artistic people. There's no reason to skimp on the craft.
A note about you quoting movie budgets like Rocky's budget was $1M. That was in 1976 and adjusted for inflation, it's a little over $5M. It's still "low-budget" but it's 5x Nefarious' and Christian Mingle's budget.
Can you do a video debunking the "everything is satanic" ideology ? Becuase, folks still like to day movies, anime and music are "satanic" which is not true
The Case for Christ and Risen are two recent Christian films that were both really good, though I think the Case For Christ could've been even better if it played closer to Strobel's story; there are certain quirks in his tale that I think would've been really relatable to viewers, such as the way his wife leaving Biblical quotes around the house annoyed Lee rather than helping him. That was an interesting and funny note, I thought.
I’m an atheist and I agree with 99.9999999% of what you said. Good movie, like good books, like good gospel music can move people in profound ways. It can change lives. Wouldn’t Christian film makers want to make want to watch their movies? If it’s entirely about the message, then why not go back to preaching the Word in Latin or Aramaic or Ancient Greek or whatever?
I’d like to point out that Jesus preached his lessons in parables that were still amazing well written stories. Surely, Christian film makers should at least aspire to that
I don't know what definition of "Christian" movie you use, however I would say that a good "Christian" movie, due to what happens in the movie even if it wasn't MADE by Christians (as far as I know) is Dead Man Walking. Sean Penn and Susan Sarandan as a killer trying to get ready to be executed and the nun he allows to counsel him were excellent as was the dialogue.
Just found this chanel and will look at your other videos as I am curious. Just bringing this up as a criticism I have of many of the Christian movies I have seen. There must be MANY good arguments for belief in God/Christianity/religious belief etc. Consequently there must be many good arguments AGAINST atheism. But OVER AND OVER again in Christian movies the Christian beats the Atheist in a debate about religion when the atheist breaks down and says that they "hate" God, usually because God killed their kid or their spouse or their mom or their pet turtle or whatever. I can't believe Christians think they are doing a good job promoting their faith or arguing against atheism by writing that in scripts. If a person is an atheist they CAN'T hate God. They don't believe in God. They don't believe God did anything to anybody because they think he doesn't exist. So stop making Christians look dumb by using that argument over and over. It doesn't make any sense!
Hey Ryder, you should do a video on Alejandro Monteverde. The man’s Cinematography is stunning and he’s probably the best Christian Filmmaker out there right now.
“The Christian shoemaker does his duty not by putting little crosses on the shoes, but by making good shoes, because God is interested in good craftsmanship.” ― Martin Luther (alleged)
*This is an oversimplification of something Luther said about how everything we do is our service to our neighbor and (therefore) should be of highest quality, but I think the point is well made that Christian films need to be held to the highest reasonable standard if we want anyone to take the message seriously. If we are only making these films to please ourselves, it is decidedly un-Christlike.
If you like listening to people make fun of Christian movies, I recommend the GodAwful Movies podcast. If you're serious about them – God help you. There is no way to make movies well if all you're doing is preaching. For movie stories to work all characters must be "real". They must have flaws and weaknesses. I have never seen a Christian movie where the Christians were presented in a manner other than pure perfection. Non-believers? Bad, stupid, weak, hell-bound losers. Christians? Strong, heroic, courageous truth tellers and, always, martyrs.
"Nefarious" has several errors that were GLARING! A psych-eval on the DAY of an execution to determine if the condemned can be executed? A prison visitor having to use the inmate payphone system? The arresting officer getting his gun into the facility?
Might go pretty deep. During the Protestant reformation the Protestants burned paintings, smash statues, gutted cathedrals, and generally turned against art. Catholics don’t have this problem cause we never got rid of our beautiful paintings, statues, and cathedrals. Might be why there are a number of excellent Catholic directors, but very few evangelical directors. Edit: also more nuanced stories that don’t hit you over the head with the message are a good idea.
As a non-Christian, I would be more open to watching Christian movies if moviemakers took this advice. I put in a DVD or rent from Amazon for interesting story, relatable characters, and appealing visuals. If I want to be preached to, I'll sit in a pew on Sunday. I'm not against including a message in a movie. That's why a lot of movies are made, especially religious ones. Making a movie that takes every chance it can to push its message – no matter what that message is – feels confrontational and only makes me want to walk away.
Camera guy, "I think we need three lights for this shot." Director, "What have we told you!" Camera guy, "Uhhh, Jesus is the sole light of the world, so we only use one light in each shot."
Nefarious was boring in my opinion but I think it's because I don't usually don't like movies that take place in a single setting. The concept was interesting though.
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Religion is fake and gay and full of schizophrenic people nothing to see here.
It's because it's a CHRISTIAN movie. That's not a dig against Christians. It's just a rule. Take comedy. Im my opinion arguably the funniest person of all time was a Christian, Norm McDonald. But he was a Christian doing comedy, NOT a Christian comedian… who's material is almost all about Christianity. There are Christians with comedic talent. But Christian comedy sucks. Take music. Christian music is terrible. Is that because Christians don't have musical tallent.? No. Bach said that the purpose of music is to glorify God. There are talented acts like America or U 2 that have Christians in the band and occasionally put Christian messages into the music. Christians can be talented but Christian comedy, music, and movies are terrible without exception.
This video in a nutshell: Ryder watched Christian Mingle and he's going to make it our problem. Oh, and Nefarious is pretty good.
Christian movies don’t understand how to deliver a message or the audience they want the message delivered to.
When it comes to shooting scenes, they make mistakes that a film school student does. Thinking how a shot looks good rather if it makes sense. You see a character for example walking….and rather than have the walking scene shot in an artistic captivating way, it is just……shot. Making the audience feel bored.
Take for example “A Matter of Faith”. Another scene is when a Christian is debating Evolution with a science student. The latter is making a good argument. Another Christian character (the secondary character) comes in and be like “let me ask you this. Were your parents ape? Were your grandparents parents apes? Were your great grand parents apes?” Leaving the scientist stunned. Now, anyone who knows anything about evolution knows that this is NOT a how you debate Evolution. It is not about “who was an ape?” in your family. So in what world did the writers think that this is how “smart Christian” looks like?
Not to mention they don’t tackle serious issues nor would they dare crossing that line. Doing so risks breaking their belief that movies must stay away from such themes. Putting the movie in a dilemma.
Christian movies are written to be like sermons.
They’re way too heavy handed and the characters are too stereotypical as the producers don’t respect the intelligence of their intended audience.
Is God mediocre?
Is God only "good enough" or just "fine"?
Does God only work in our lives through direct scripture? Or does he work through nature, other people, and events?
Then why should christian based movies and music be so limited and short sighted?
Shouldn't those mediums be made for God on a level of awesomess that at least attempts to represent Him?
If we can know films like The Godfather or Rocky or Jaws or Unforgiven, then it should only stand to reason that a film speaking to and of God should be so much better. Yet they don't exisr.
If bands like Yes or Pink Floyd or Rush can be so amazing, shouldn't it be that a band that focuses on God should be even more superior?
Yet turn on Joy 99.1 or listen to the tired praise songs of every comtemporary church in America and prepare to be disappointed.
The art is allowed to be a heavy player when praising God. God created art. He created artistic people. There's no reason to skimp on the craft.
Can you review Triumph about the priest killed in the Holocaust? I think it was completely crowdfunded. I think it's a very beautiful movie
A note about you quoting movie budgets like Rocky's budget was $1M. That was in 1976 and adjusted for inflation, it's a little over $5M. It's still "low-budget" but it's 5x Nefarious' and Christian Mingle's budget.
Can you do a video debunking the "everything is satanic" ideology ? Becuase, folks still like to day movies, anime and music are "satanic" which is not true
The Case for Christ and Risen are two recent Christian films that were both really good, though I think the Case For Christ could've been even better if it played closer to Strobel's story; there are certain quirks in his tale that I think would've been really relatable to viewers, such as the way his wife leaving Biblical quotes around the house annoyed Lee rather than helping him. That was an interesting and funny note, I thought.
I’m an atheist and I agree with 99.9999999% of what you said. Good movie, like good books, like good gospel music can move people in profound ways. It can change lives. Wouldn’t Christian film makers want to make want to watch their movies? If it’s entirely about the message, then why not go back to preaching the Word in Latin or Aramaic or Ancient Greek or whatever?
I’d like to point out that Jesus preached his lessons in parables that were still amazing well written stories. Surely, Christian film makers should at least aspire to that
I don't know what definition of "Christian" movie you use, however I would say that a good "Christian" movie, due to what happens in the movie even if it wasn't MADE by Christians (as far as I know) is Dead Man Walking. Sean Penn and Susan Sarandan as a killer trying to get ready to be executed and the nun he allows to counsel him were excellent as was the dialogue.
I wonder why the lighting is bad in so many Christian movies. Christianity does not rob people of talent for their job.
Just found this chanel and will look at your other videos as I am curious. Just bringing this up as a criticism I have of many of the Christian movies I have seen. There must be MANY good arguments for belief in God/Christianity/religious belief etc. Consequently there must be many good arguments AGAINST atheism. But OVER AND OVER again in Christian movies the Christian beats the Atheist in a debate about religion when the atheist breaks down and says that they "hate" God, usually because God killed their kid or their spouse or their mom or their pet turtle or whatever. I can't believe Christians think they are doing a good job promoting their faith or arguing against atheism by writing that in scripts. If a person is an atheist they CAN'T hate God. They don't believe in God. They don't believe God did anything to anybody because they think he doesn't exist. So stop making Christians look dumb by using that argument over and over. It doesn't make any sense!
Hey Ryder, you should do a video on Alejandro Monteverde. The man’s Cinematography is stunning and he’s probably the best Christian Filmmaker out there right now.
“The Christian shoemaker does his duty not by putting little crosses on the shoes, but by making good shoes, because God is interested in good craftsmanship.”
― Martin Luther (alleged)
*This is an oversimplification of something Luther said about how everything we do is our service to our neighbor and (therefore) should be of highest quality, but I think the point is well made that Christian films need to be held to the highest reasonable standard if we want anyone to take the message seriously. If we are only making these films to please ourselves, it is decidedly un-Christlike.
If you like listening to people make fun of Christian movies, I recommend the GodAwful Movies podcast. If you're serious about them – God help you. There is no way to make movies well if all you're doing is preaching. For movie stories to work all characters must be "real". They must have flaws and weaknesses. I have never seen a Christian movie where the Christians were presented in a manner other than pure perfection. Non-believers? Bad, stupid, weak, hell-bound losers. Christians? Strong, heroic, courageous truth tellers and, always, martyrs.
"Nefarious" has several errors that were GLARING! A psych-eval on the DAY of an execution to determine if the condemned can be executed? A prison visitor having to use the inmate payphone system? The arresting officer getting his gun into the facility?
"Nefarious" was "Fallen" with a Catholic message.
Might go pretty deep. During the Protestant reformation the Protestants burned paintings, smash statues, gutted cathedrals, and generally turned against art. Catholics don’t have this problem cause we never got rid of our beautiful paintings, statues, and cathedrals. Might be why there are a number of excellent Catholic directors, but very few evangelical directors. Edit: also more nuanced stories that don’t hit you over the head with the message are a good idea.
As a non-Christian, I would be more open to watching Christian movies if moviemakers took this advice. I put in a DVD or rent from Amazon for interesting story, relatable characters, and appealing visuals. If I want to be preached to, I'll sit in a pew on Sunday. I'm not against including a message in a movie. That's why a lot of movies are made, especially religious ones. Making a movie that takes every chance it can to push its message – no matter what that message is – feels confrontational and only makes me want to walk away.
Camera guy, "I think we need three lights for this shot." Director, "What have we told you!" Camera guy, "Uhhh, Jesus is the sole light of the world, so we only use one light in each shot."
Well to even be a christian means you are lacking some form of intelligence. So if everyone working on it is slightly stupid well….
Nefarious was boring in my opinion but I think it's because I don't usually don't like movies that take place in a single setting. The concept was interesting though.
"This isn't me throwing shade-"
Christian Mingle already threw enough shade on ITSELF lol.
7:41 Cheesy films don't convict me to do anything. If anything, they take me further away from what they were hoping to happen.