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The same way Jonathan Edwards has shaped you, you also have shaped my understanding of the Bible. May God Continue to preserve you that you may finish your race.
Jonathan Edwards was NOT a Christian hedonist. The term 'Christian Hedonism' was inspired by a demonic power, who is going to utilise the names of genuine men of God, in order to promote this false terminology. Get behind me, Satan.
"Christian hedonism" Oh Mr. Piper. Christian hedonist is a contradiction. Stop using this self- adulating term. Just say joyful or rejoicing. stick to biblical terminology.. The word hedonist doesn't belong in the realm of God's light. or His word.
Hedonism is a word that John Piper has redeemed to better explain the joy and hope that we should strive in GOD…very good presentation. John Piper is never afraid to dive into the river streams of HOLY scriptures to dig for its beautiful treasures …as usual thank you brother for your work in GOD for HIS people…the gospel and salvation are grand and should be more and more grand in the heart of HIS children…
Sir, you have every right to call yourself Hedonist. I’m deeply offended when you characterize Jonathan Edwards as a Christian Hedonist. Your ignorance of the Greek language is lamentable, especially when you’re misapplying this word to such a man whose life and walk with the Lord is worthy of imitation; how much more his writings. If he influenced you, as you state explicitly, you would be speaking his language. Since you dare to call him a Hedonist, you may also call David Brainerd, Paul, Peter, John, just to name a few hedonists, including the Lord Himself. See how far you will go.
Everybody needs to know this!! (The whole world is drunk on the doctrines of Babylon) INCLUDING and ESPECIALLY the visible Christian church!!
PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional churches and different ministries but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something very important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God.
Rev 17:5 – "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth."
Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican – “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” – Rev 17:18
And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches.
And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures.
“And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:”
The most important thing to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you do not need men to teach you.
“But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact.
There is still an every word testimony with us!
The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on.
It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it!
The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out.
I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, …maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short – my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him alone.
I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you… honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed.
This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon.
The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it.
(it's a treasure of information for the Saints) – find the first interview to start on.
"(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.”
It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either.
This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on.
If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying.
It’s impossible for an unregenerate man to repent, only a man with the Spirit of God can truly repent. It is for the unregenerate to simply believe and accept what Christ did for him in order to receive the Holy Spirit. Then starts the life of repentance and resting in Christ moment by moment
ROM 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.Hedonist? Are you happy in Christ? I pray you are.
Give it up, hedonism is a dead end. You are confusing people with this philosophy. Hedonism will lead you to disaster. Quit beating this drum. Historical, no christian martyr ever use this philosophy as they die for the Lord. You are blinded by this word. You are blinded by your book. We die for the faith because we love God. You are bewitched by your own words.
The title doesn't sound right; didn't listened to the entire sermon, and truly don't believe I need to, I have in the past seen how some of these word usages are perhaps well meant, but only serve to tickle people's ears and send the message that it is okay to stretch the meaning of some words, the result in some cases is that people end up calling evil good, and if the pastor does it, why can't I with other words, becomes the mentality. Dangerous ground, in my opinion, I do like and respect John Piper, but don't agree with everything he says, come to think, we're not to agree with people, we are to agree with the Truth, the Lord Jesus!
One of the joys of self-realization, that comes from reading the Word of God is that there are feeling intellectuals who are not afraid to open their minds to what it means to treasure God. And in so doing lance what appears to be a paradox, and how he explains the sorrow of contrition. All the superficial resistance to "feelings" that were such a bore in the churches which I have attended over the last 40 years, is done away with. Astonishing revelational exegesis, from the mind and heart of John Piper. A passion for Joy. Courageous exegesis from the modern pulpit. Thanks!
sorry but feasting eating any body, is of the devil. it what people who do not know what they are do, its what leechs do, they feast and draw and try to suck life and blood. lets move away from this. Christ does not feast, or suck, he radiates God within.lets us follow Jesus example and not slip in to nonsense. words matter. hedonism is feasting, its eating of people , there is a scripture where jesus says do not eat each other. eating is when you are in pain dosconnection and you reach in lust, but the lust only makes more disconnection as you objectify them, and it gets worse. the way to love and conectiong which is what we really want is via love and connection. merely remember that when you are lusting, what its really announcing is disconnection. . recognize it, and look to how you have disconnected yourself from love
Maximise desire for the things of the world during the week ,Monday to Saturday and Minimize our desire for God to Sunday for one to two hours and rush back to the world to enjoy ourselves .
The same way Jonathan Edwards has shaped you, you also have shaped my understanding of the Bible. May God Continue to preserve you that you may finish your race.
Jonathan Edwards was NOT a Christian hedonist. The term 'Christian Hedonism' was inspired by a demonic power, who is going to utilise the names of genuine men of God, in order to promote this false terminology. Get behind me, Satan.
"Christian hedonism" Oh Mr. Piper. Christian hedonist is a contradiction. Stop using this self- adulating term. Just say joyful or rejoicing. stick to biblical terminology.. The word hedonist doesn't belong in the realm of God's light. or His word.
Johnathan Edwards is my great great great great grandfather
This has increased my joy in hearing Yahweh
If anybody studied or read ANYTHING bout Hedonism—you would know that Jonathan Edwards was not…Hedonistic in nature.
Period.
That’s in anyway shape or—form.
Hedonism is a word that John Piper has redeemed to better explain the joy and hope that we should strive in GOD…very good presentation. John Piper is never afraid to dive into the river streams of HOLY scriptures to dig for its beautiful treasures …as usual thank you brother for your work in GOD for HIS people…the gospel and salvation are grand and should be more and more grand in the heart of HIS children…
Your just flat boring. Your not preaching the finished work of the cross your preachin gobbledygook
Fantastic!!
Sir, you have every right to call yourself Hedonist. I’m deeply offended when you characterize Jonathan Edwards as a Christian Hedonist. Your ignorance of the Greek language is lamentable, especially when you’re misapplying this word to such a man whose life and walk with the Lord is worthy of imitation; how much more his writings. If he influenced you, as you state explicitly, you would be speaking his language. Since you dare to call him a Hedonist, you may also call David Brainerd, Paul, Peter, John, just to name a few hedonists, including the Lord Himself. See how far you will go.
John Piper is a false teacher
Jonathan Edwards was a slave owner. I will not listen to a slave owner or a man who think a slave owner is someone we should emulate!
Thanks to God for you pastor John!! Sweet Paradise Is Gods love!! His word is truly delicious!! Amen pastor John, Amen. GREAT sermon.
Everybody needs to know this!!
(The whole world is drunk on the doctrines of Babylon)
INCLUDING and ESPECIALLY the visible Christian church!!
PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional churches and different ministries but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something very important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God.
Rev 17:5 – "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth."
Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican – “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” – Rev 17:18
And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches.
And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures.
And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. http://cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf
And Jesus Christ is calling His people out.
Rev 18:4
“And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:”
The most important thing to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you do not need men to teach you.
1 John 2:27
“But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact.
There is still an every word testimony with us!
The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on.
It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAMOquyQu-8&list=PLJ1pVbTWV8GUvmMivHA9WefKX988rxOpK&index=5
The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9lIWdQ0rc0&t=629s
I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, …maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short – my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him alone.
I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you… honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed.
This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon.
The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it.
(it's a treasure of information for the Saints) – find the first interview to start on.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmg/videos
here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuVTlYYos0c
"(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.”
It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either.
This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on.
If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying.
freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.”
Matt 10:8
My my my….ALLURE….that was SO GOOD!
Looks so much like Larry David
It’s impossible for an unregenerate man to repent, only a man with the Spirit of God can truly repent. It is for the unregenerate to simply believe and accept what Christ did for him in order to receive the Holy Spirit. Then starts the life of repentance and resting in Christ moment by moment
ROM 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.Hedonist? Are you happy in Christ? I pray you are.
Give it up, hedonism is a dead end.
You are confusing people with this philosophy.
Hedonism will lead you to disaster. Quit beating this drum.
Historical, no christian martyr ever use this philosophy as they die for the Lord.
You are blinded by this word.
You are blinded by your book.
We die for the faith because we love God.
You are bewitched by your own words.
i thought the title sounded like negative about J.Edwards. But he used the 'title' to mean different.
The title doesn't sound right; didn't listened to the entire sermon, and truly don't believe I need to, I have in the past seen how some of these word usages are perhaps well meant, but only serve to tickle people's ears and send the message that it is okay to stretch the meaning of some words, the result in some cases is that people end up calling evil good, and if the pastor does it, why can't I with other words, becomes the mentality. Dangerous ground, in my opinion, I do like and respect John Piper, but don't agree with everything he says, come to think, we're not to agree with people, we are to agree with the Truth, the Lord Jesus!
One of the joys of self-realization, that comes from reading the Word of God is that there are feeling intellectuals who are not afraid to open their minds to what it means to treasure God. And in so doing lance what appears to be a paradox, and how he explains the sorrow of contrition. All the superficial resistance to "feelings" that were such a bore in the churches which I have attended over the last 40 years, is done away with. Astonishing revelational exegesis, from the mind and heart of John Piper. A passion for Joy. Courageous exegesis from the modern pulpit. Thanks!
sorry but feasting eating any body, is of the devil. it what people who do not know what they are do, its what leechs do, they feast and draw and try to suck life and blood. lets move away from this. Christ does not feast, or suck, he radiates God within.lets us follow Jesus example and not slip in to nonsense. words matter. hedonism is feasting, its eating of people , there is a scripture where jesus says do not eat each other. eating is when you are in pain dosconnection and you reach in lust, but the lust only makes more disconnection as you objectify them, and it gets worse. the way to love and conectiong which is what we really want is via love and connection. merely remember that when you are lusting, what its really announcing is disconnection. . recognize it, and look to how you have disconnected yourself from love
Maximise desire for the things of the world during the week ,Monday to Saturday and Minimize our desire for God to Sunday for one to two hours and rush back to the world to enjoy ourselves .