Adam was created holy and without sin. That did not mean he couldn't sin. Of course we know he did sin. So, "nature" applies to his spirit nature…..being holy and without sin until he fell.
We humans, from Adam, and before salvation, are not of the same spirit nature as Adam was before he fell. Total depravity is ABSOLUTELY PAUL'S Doctrine. It is the condition of man before he hears the Gospel and responds with saving faith. As believers, we have a DUAL Spirit nature. Paul goes into great detail to describe the fight that takes place within the believer: Old man against the new man; spirit nature against the sinful nature because this side of heaven none of us are perfect. In fact, one sign of a true believer is they struggle with sin. The heathen doesn't struggle with sin…..he enjoys it and doesn't even acknowledge he is sinning.
I'm sorry Randy, but I disagree with you when you claim total depravity of the heathen mind is not a Biblical doctrine. It's plainly taught by Paul.
THE SIN NATURE, the curse of Adam on all mankind
a.k.a Original Sin is absolutely Biblical and understanding it is foundational for receiving salvation.
We are all born sinners with sinful, selfish natures. Unless we are spiritually regenerated by the Spirit of YHWH, through faith in Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, we will not pass from death to life.
Humanity is totally depraved; that is, all of us have a sinful nature that affects every part of us (Isaiah 53:6; Romans 7:14).
We do not choose to become sinners from birth. In fact we can do nothing but sin. We have a natural inclination to sin. No one needs to be taught to lie, steal, bear false witness, live selfish lives, or rebel against God. To the contrary, we have to teach our children not to do those things and God enacted laws to reign in the sinful behavior of man.
We are born with a sinful nature we inherited from Adam.
“Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people” (Romans 5:12).
Every one of us is affected by Adam’s sin; there are no exceptions.
“One trespass resulted in condemnation for all people” (Romans 5:18).
"For just as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one the many will be made righteous." Romans 5:19
We are all sinners, and we all share the same condemnation, because we are all children of Adam.
Even children sin: “Folly is bound up in the heart of a child” (Proverbs 22:15).
“Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me” (Psalm 51:5).
“Even from birth the wicked go astray; / from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies” (Psalm 58:3).
Before salvation man is “by nature deserving of wrath” (Ephesians 2:3).
Note that we deserved God’s wrath not only because of our sins but because of our nature. That nature is what we inherited from Adam… a SINFUL NATURE
We are all born sinners, and for that reason none of us can win merit with God while we still live in our natural sinful state. Hence redemption is through Jesus finished work.
“Those who are not saved have a sinful nature and cannot please God (Romans 8:8). Believers were dead in their sins before putting their trust in Jesus finished work resulting in spiritual life (Ephesians 2:1). We lacked any inherent spiritual good prior to believing.
The divine nature is placed into the heart of the believer upon conversion. The divine nature a.k.a. the spirit of God in us empowers us to overcome the old sinful nature.
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Jesus did not sin and had no sin in him means he was born without sin.
1 Peter 2:22He did not commit sin, nor was deceit found in his mouth.
2 Corinthians 5:21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.
1 John 3:5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
1 Peter 1:18-19 knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Jesus the Christ.
Isaiah 53:9 His (Jesus') grave was assigned with wicked men,Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
Luke 1:35 35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you, and for that reason the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God."
No one else is spoken of as being "holy" from birth.
The expressions “old man” and “new man” occur in basically four places in Paul’s letters, namely,
Romans 6:6;
Ephesians 2:15;
Ephesians 4:22-24; and
Colossians 3:9-11
When a person comes to realize they are unable to save themselves because of their fallen nature, then they might respond to the rest of Paul's Gospel message that he received in Acts 13 and preached for the first time in Acts 13:39. This is the only Gospel that applies in this present age (times of the Gentiles).
** BUT NOW in Romans 3:21-26 signals a change that corresponds with Paul's message in Acts 13.
The mind of man is FALLEN because of Adam's FALL. Adam was made in the image of God but he fell. His fallen spiritual state is not the image of God that Adam had when he was first created. The total depravity doctrine applies to the fallen nature of man's MIND/SPIRIT before he is redeemed.
Man cannot redeem himself, other wise Jesus died for nothing.
Yea LUKA! Glad you are going to intern with Dr White & split FIRE WOOD and INFINITIES …
Adam was created holy and without sin. That did not mean he couldn't sin. Of course we know he did sin. So, "nature" applies to his spirit nature…..being holy and without sin until he fell.
We humans, from Adam, and before salvation, are not of the same spirit nature as Adam was before he fell. Total depravity is ABSOLUTELY PAUL'S Doctrine. It is the condition of man before he hears the Gospel and responds with saving faith. As believers, we have a DUAL Spirit nature. Paul goes into great detail to describe the fight that takes place within the believer: Old man against the new man; spirit nature against the sinful nature because this side of heaven none of us are perfect. In fact, one sign of a true believer is they struggle with sin. The heathen doesn't struggle with sin…..he enjoys it and doesn't even acknowledge he is sinning.
I'm sorry Randy, but I disagree with you when you claim total depravity of the heathen mind is not a Biblical doctrine. It's plainly taught by Paul.
THE SIN NATURE, the curse of Adam on all mankind
a.k.a Original Sin is absolutely Biblical and understanding it is foundational for receiving salvation.
We are all born sinners with sinful, selfish natures. Unless we are spiritually regenerated by the Spirit of YHWH, through faith in Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, we will not pass from death to life.
Humanity is totally depraved; that is, all of us have a sinful nature that affects every part of us (Isaiah 53:6; Romans 7:14).
We do not choose to become sinners from birth. In fact we can do nothing but sin. We have a natural inclination to sin. No one needs to be taught to lie, steal, bear false witness, live selfish lives, or rebel against God. To the contrary, we have to teach our children not to do those things and God enacted laws to reign in the sinful behavior of man.
We are born with a sinful nature we inherited from Adam.
“Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people” (Romans 5:12).
Every one of us is affected by Adam’s sin; there are no exceptions.
“One trespass resulted in condemnation for all people” (Romans 5:18).
"For just as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one the many will be made righteous." Romans 5:19
We are all sinners, and we all share the same condemnation, because we are all children of Adam.
Even children sin: “Folly is bound up in the heart of a child” (Proverbs 22:15).
“Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me” (Psalm 51:5).
“Even from birth the wicked go astray; / from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies” (Psalm 58:3).
Before salvation man is “by nature deserving of wrath” (Ephesians 2:3).
Note that we deserved God’s wrath not only because of our sins but because of our nature. That nature is what we inherited from Adam… a SINFUL NATURE
We are all born sinners, and for that reason none of us can win merit with God while we still live in our natural sinful state. Hence redemption is through Jesus finished work.
“Those who are not saved have a sinful nature and cannot please God (Romans 8:8). Believers were dead in their sins before putting their trust in Jesus finished work resulting in spiritual life (Ephesians 2:1). We lacked any inherent spiritual good prior to believing.
The divine nature is placed into the heart of the believer upon conversion. The divine nature a.k.a. the spirit of God in us empowers us to overcome the old sinful nature.
———————
Jesus did not sin and had no sin in him means he was born without sin.
1 Peter 2:22He did not commit sin, nor was deceit found in his mouth.
2 Corinthians 5:21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.
1 John 3:5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
1 Peter 1:18-19 knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Jesus the Christ.
Isaiah 53:9 His (Jesus') grave was assigned with wicked men,Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
Luke 1:35 35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you, and for that reason the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God."
No one else is spoken of as being "holy" from birth.
The expressions “old man” and “new man” occur in basically four places in Paul’s letters, namely,
Romans 6:6;
Ephesians 2:15;
Ephesians 4:22-24; and
Colossians 3:9-11
When a person comes to realize they are unable to save themselves because of their fallen nature, then they might respond to the rest of Paul's Gospel message that he received in Acts 13 and preached for the first time in Acts 13:39. This is the only Gospel that applies in this present age (times of the Gentiles).
** BUT NOW in Romans 3:21-26 signals a change that corresponds with Paul's message in Acts 13.
PAUL REVEALS HOW A PERSON IS SAVED:
Acts 13:39; Romans 1:16-17;
Romans 3:21-26; Romans 4:5-12;
Romans 5:1; Romans 10:9;
1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 2:8-9;
Titus 3:4-8
The mind of man is FALLEN because of Adam's FALL. Adam was made in the image of God but he fell. His fallen spiritual state is not the image of God that Adam had when he was first created.
The total depravity doctrine applies to the fallen nature of man's MIND/SPIRIT before he is redeemed.
Man cannot redeem himself, other wise Jesus died for nothing.