Ouch. That scene where Austin is trying to be friends with Tyler is actually kind of relatable. I have had a lot of friends in my lifetime who were also my bullies, and people would ask me why I was friends with them. My answer would always be about the good things I saw in them or how I could understand that they were mean because xyz excuse. The only difference was that I was definitely hurting over how these people treated me, but I also accepted it as part of our friendship. I saw the bullying as something akin to banter. In my 30s (almost 40 now), I'm no longer putting up with people treating me this way.
The part about Austin seeing the kite as a dragon made me think at first that he just has a big imagination but if that's the case then why didn't the movie gave more examples before that one?? I'm on the spectrum myself and I do have a pretty active imagination but to have the movie believe that the audience would just assume that Austin "imagined" he saw the kite as a dragon with no prior hints that he has an active imagination is a big stretch. Also about him knowing Tyler is sad deep down and that's why Austin cares so much about wanting to be friends with him is interesting as well…like did Tyler tell him all that or did Austin overheard that from somewhere?? I know this film is in the perspective of the dad so MAYBE some details wouldn't be realized but just by having Austin tell his father what happened and having that become a flashback would fix this issue. Maybe not a good one, but idk, it makes it seem like Austin just made up that about Tyler just to get his brother off his back. Idk it seems like some more EFFORT should've been made to have Austin's autism be more explored and whatnot, or have the film be a loose retelling of the book its based on and have the film be in the ACTUAL perspective of Austin.
'I can't always see the things you do, Austin', says the middle-aged dad ego regularly has intimate conversations with his imaginary drinking buddy, rather than playing with his child and encouraging his imagination.
It's not that Scott failed to understand Austin so much as he never tried. He assumed based on nothing that he was unrelatable and therefore went out of his way not to relate to him.
They treat Austin being autistic like it's a bad thing because they're ashamed, because they assume that people are somehow going to assume that a congenital medical condition that he inherited from them means they failed as parents, which, no one judges parents by their children's behavior, parents who assume they will are setting themselves up to be abusers, and then usually blame the child for their own insecurity when the child dares to be an individual.
fully ignoring that he was put on medicine due to his parents not wanting to put their disabled child struggling in school in a special ed program and ignoring that im pretty sure needing to recite a monologue is also not a symptom of autism it is really really insidious that an alcoholic abusive fathers potrayal of his sons thoughts after an out of nowhere violent outburst as “it wasnt me it was the medicine!”
in German a kite is called a dragon so honestly I wouldn’t even be surprised if a kid was seeing it as one. and even in English it’s such a weird thing to freak out about? It’s colourful and flying, they’re playing, he has a lot of fantasy, what does the father expect??
Thank you for calling out the weird kite scene. Autism does NOT make someone hallucinate lol Him insisting the hallucination was actually truly there instead of acknowledging it as make-believe was odd! The meltdown made absolutely no sense, so I guess that was the aspect they were blaming on his autism?
Those baby scenes of him breaking his bones and crying and how it's basically glossed over is just like terrifying. Probably added for me since I dealt with neglect and all. But like. God even aside from that. I had to pause the video just to like cope. And with it being based on a real story just hurts. Like. It just moves on. Especially with how many times it was preventable. Like even if he didn't have OI, toddlers need more attention than that.
Also the "he barely even cried at all" for Logan is so…weird. Like yeah, some kids just are different, but it's like…insanely normal for kids to cry. Sometimes a too well behaved kid/the perfect or ideal child is often a sign of things being wrong. But the entire movie kinda ignores Logan so. :I
Everything about this movie and this family is just…so off while being portrayed as normal and understandable. Like. It's just so icky. I've wanted to forget this movie existed since I learned about it. But like. Wow I hate it even more now. And I just feel bad for Austin and Logan. Like. W o w.
Saying this as someone on birth control. One of the side effects of many of them can be making your bones brittle. Which can make it a medically difficult thing for people with certain conditions to use. I can totally see them using condoms only and then Scott just being a careless prick and not storing his condoms correctly or puncturing it when opening it and not caring.
This is a pretty common response to having a Disabled child. A LOT of parents hate their kids. I’ve gotten kicked out of Facebook groups & I get blocked a lot by calling out that shit. They don’t want to hear a parent of a disabled kid who needs full care call them out for being emotionally abusive. For the resource room thing-those classes don’t have any oversight basically and they’re not obligated to teach curriculum when your child is in a separated classroom is pretty likely they’re just gonna be completely academically left behind. One class my daughter was in. They just literally taught the IEP. There was no curriculum whatsoever and they forced kids in third grade to lay down and take a nap every day, even though it’s illegal. Research has shown for a long time that fully inclusive classes are the best situation for both disabled and not disabled kids. Having a class that includes disabled children increases empathy in non-disabled children. That’s the reason we see so many people who don’t give a fuck about other people because they were taught that if you look different, or you act different you need to be segregated and never seen. Then, there are lots of interventions, both pull out and push in therapies & interventions. This also requires actual academics. Being in a segregated classroom doesn’t really offer specialized education that’s what an IEP is for. It’s an individual educational plan. Being a segregated classroom allows teachers, and school district to push you to the side and segregate you and ignore your actual needs refuse typical accommodations because they say they don’t have enough room or enough time or enough money when they’re in a specialized classroom and it was the obligation of actual curriculum.There also needs to be a lot of failed interventions to move a kid from a gen ed class to a special ed class, but because so many parents devalue their kids schools get away with violating the law a lot. If we take the movie at face value the parents seem to have refused IEP interventions bc the think getting accommodations is weak or embarrassing.
Lastly, the intention of being a pro life movie but writing a movie where the dad doesn’t like his kid is rich. If you don’t want a disabled kid you shouldn’t have kids bc most disabilities aren’t testable before birth and anyone can become disabled at anytime-especially in a world where covid exists, measles are back & we’re quickly headed to such a low % of vaccinated people we lose herd immunity. And as a person whose parents don’t love them & who’s mom started telling them she didn’t like them when I was like 8-I’d rather have been aborted.
if they told me this movie was about a kid with adhd, i would find it more believable. austin's making intense eye contact and aggressively empathizing with people. autistic people aren't a monolith, but it's still just not giving autism lmao.
and i don't think that's because the real austin doesn't have autism. i think it's because the real scott doesn't care to understand austin's autism, so he just sees everything he does as whimsical and alien.
anyway, austin trying to murder his brother at dinner reminded me of when i was briefly on mirtazapine for sleep. i snapped at my mom because i sneezed and she asked if i was sick. i wanted her to mind her own business.
I think the Madonna/Whore complex for disabled people is basically inspoporn/dehumanization. At least how its presented here. Austin starts the movie as being seen as not a person but an obstacle to his parents' happiness. And the movie ends very similarly to a lot of videos I was shown in a mental hospital of a kid with no hands riding a bike and writing his name with his feet. "Wow even though his bones break super easy he is still an inspiration and loves life! So you have no excuse to be depressed if bones break kid is happy!"
I really hope the existence of this piece of shit movie doesn't end up haunting that kid too hard. Counting myself lucky I wound up with parents a lot more empathetic about autism than his seem to be.
(In fact we're all fairly confident my dad is also autistic)
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Ouch. That scene where Austin is trying to be friends with Tyler is actually kind of relatable. I have had a lot of friends in my lifetime who were also my bullies, and people would ask me why I was friends with them. My answer would always be about the good things I saw in them or how I could understand that they were mean because xyz excuse. The only difference was that I was definitely hurting over how these people treated me, but I also accepted it as part of our friendship. I saw the bullying as something akin to banter. In my 30s (almost 40 now), I'm no longer putting up with people treating me this way.
October Baby sounds incredibly cursed and I need you to watch it immediately.
abortion is a very elaborate cleanup job, more people need to think of it this way
God forbid the other kid ends up gay. Can't even imagine the Christian pile that would manifest as a result.
The part about Austin seeing the kite as a dragon made me think at first that he just has a big imagination but if that's the case then why didn't the movie gave more examples before that one?? I'm on the spectrum myself and I do have a pretty active imagination but to have the movie believe that the audience would just assume that Austin "imagined" he saw the kite as a dragon with no prior hints that he has an active imagination is a big stretch. Also about him knowing Tyler is sad deep down and that's why Austin cares so much about wanting to be friends with him is interesting as well…like did Tyler tell him all that or did Austin overheard that from somewhere?? I know this film is in the perspective of the dad so MAYBE some details wouldn't be realized but just by having Austin tell his father what happened and having that become a flashback would fix this issue. Maybe not a good one, but idk, it makes it seem like Austin just made up that about Tyler just to get his brother off his back. Idk it seems like some more EFFORT should've been made to have Austin's autism be more explored and whatnot, or have the film be a loose retelling of the book its based on and have the film be in the ACTUAL perspective of Austin.
'I can't always see the things you do, Austin', says the middle-aged dad ego regularly has intimate conversations with his imaginary drinking buddy, rather than playing with his child and encouraging his imagination.
It's not that Scott failed to understand Austin so much as he never tried. He assumed based on nothing that he was unrelatable and therefore went out of his way not to relate to him.
They treat Austin being autistic like it's a bad thing because they're ashamed, because they assume that people are somehow going to assume that a congenital medical condition that he inherited from them means they failed as parents, which, no one judges parents by their children's behavior, parents who assume they will are setting themselves up to be abusers, and then usually blame the child for their own insecurity when the child dares to be an individual.
Well now I just want to go into a deep dive of creating a autism version of the madonna-whore complex
fully ignoring that he was put on medicine due to his parents not wanting to put their disabled child struggling in school in a special ed program and ignoring that im pretty sure needing to recite a monologue is also not a symptom of autism it is really really insidious that an alcoholic abusive fathers potrayal of his sons thoughts after an out of nowhere violent outburst as “it wasnt me it was the medicine!”
in German a kite is called a dragon so honestly I wouldn’t even be surprised if a kid was seeing it as one. and even in English it’s such a weird thing to freak out about? It’s colourful and flying, they’re playing, he has a lot of fantasy, what does the father expect??
Thank you for calling out the weird kite scene. Autism does NOT make someone hallucinate lol Him insisting the hallucination was actually truly there instead of acknowledging it as make-believe was odd! The meltdown made absolutely no sense, so I guess that was the aspect they were blaming on his autism?
I came for the dragons and I was fairly disappointed.
Great followup
Those baby scenes of him breaking his bones and crying and how it's basically glossed over is just like terrifying. Probably added for me since I dealt with neglect and all. But like. God even aside from that. I had to pause the video just to like cope. And with it being based on a real story just hurts. Like. It just moves on. Especially with how many times it was preventable. Like even if he didn't have OI, toddlers need more attention than that.
Also the "he barely even cried at all" for Logan is so…weird. Like yeah, some kids just are different, but it's like…insanely normal for kids to cry. Sometimes a too well behaved kid/the perfect or ideal child is often a sign of things being wrong. But the entire movie kinda ignores Logan so. :I
Everything about this movie and this family is just…so off while being portrayed as normal and understandable. Like. It's just so icky. I've wanted to forget this movie existed since I learned about it. But like. Wow I hate it even more now. And I just feel bad for Austin and Logan. Like. W o w.
Yes, please, for the Horrific Baby movie.
As someone who has autism, I will too divert into a random rant
Saying this as someone on birth control. One of the side effects of many of them can be making your bones brittle. Which can make it a medically difficult thing for people with certain conditions to use. I can totally see them using condoms only and then Scott just being a careless prick and not storing his condoms correctly or puncturing it when opening it and not caring.
This is a pretty common response to having a Disabled child. A LOT of parents hate their kids. I’ve gotten kicked out of Facebook groups & I get blocked a lot by calling out that shit. They don’t want to hear a parent of a disabled kid who needs full care call them out for being emotionally abusive.
For the resource room thing-those classes don’t have any oversight basically and they’re not obligated to teach curriculum when your child is in a separated classroom is pretty likely they’re just gonna be completely academically left behind. One class my daughter was in. They just literally taught the IEP. There was no curriculum whatsoever and they forced kids in third grade to lay down and take a nap every day, even though it’s illegal. Research has shown for a long time that fully inclusive classes are the best situation for both disabled and not disabled kids. Having a class that includes disabled children increases empathy in non-disabled children. That’s the reason we see so many people who don’t give a fuck about other people because they were taught that if you look different, or you act different you need to be segregated and never seen. Then, there are lots of interventions, both pull out and push in therapies & interventions. This also requires actual academics. Being in a segregated classroom doesn’t really offer specialized education that’s what an IEP is for. It’s an individual educational plan. Being a segregated classroom allows teachers, and school district to push you to the side and segregate you and ignore your actual needs refuse typical accommodations because they say they don’t have enough room or enough time or enough money when they’re in a specialized classroom and it was the obligation of actual curriculum.There also needs to be a lot of failed interventions to move a kid from a gen ed class to a special ed class, but because so many parents devalue their kids schools get away with violating the law a lot.
If we take the movie at face value the parents seem to have refused IEP interventions bc the think getting accommodations is weak or embarrassing.
Lastly, the intention of being a pro life movie but writing a movie where the dad doesn’t like his kid is rich. If you don’t want a disabled kid you shouldn’t have kids bc most disabilities aren’t testable before birth and anyone can become disabled at anytime-especially in a world where covid exists, measles are back & we’re quickly headed to such a low % of vaccinated people we lose herd immunity.
And as a person whose parents don’t love them & who’s mom started telling them she didn’t like them when I was like 8-I’d rather have been aborted.
leave it to Chuck to make a story about an autistic child about the father of the autistic child
EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE CHILD IS NOT THE ONE FLYING THE KITE 36:16
Who would be mad at you for calling a fetus a clump of cells? That's what it is 😭
if they told me this movie was about a kid with adhd, i would find it more believable. austin's making intense eye contact and aggressively empathizing with people. autistic people aren't a monolith, but it's still just not giving autism lmao.
and i don't think that's because the real austin doesn't have autism. i think it's because the real scott doesn't care to understand austin's autism, so he just sees everything he does as whimsical and alien.
anyway, austin trying to murder his brother at dinner reminded me of when i was briefly on mirtazapine for sleep. i snapped at my mom because i sneezed and she asked if i was sick. i wanted her to mind her own business.
Have autism and never seen any dragons as a child. Autism ruined
I think the Madonna/Whore complex for disabled people is basically inspoporn/dehumanization. At least how its presented here. Austin starts the movie as being seen as not a person but an obstacle to his parents' happiness. And the movie ends very similarly to a lot of videos I was shown in a mental hospital of a kid with no hands riding a bike and writing his name with his feet. "Wow even though his bones break super easy he is still an inspiration and loves life! So you have no excuse to be depressed if bones break kid is happy!"
I really hope the existence of this piece of shit movie doesn't end up haunting that kid too hard. Counting myself lucky I wound up with parents a lot more empathetic about autism than his seem to be.
(In fact we're all fairly confident my dad is also autistic)