The Life & Teachings Of Johnathan Edwards: Interview With Sam Storm “How can you expect to dwell with God forever, if you so …
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Our pastor for years talked about his 5 dead guys and Edwards was of coarse one of them. He passed away in 2018 and I wish now I had paid better attention. Thank you for this conversation . My wife got me a condensed book of sermons from Edwards last Christmas called "A Journey Toward Heaven" edited by Dustin Benge. Really nice to have as it is a daily devotional and an easy read. I would like to point a few things out in defense of the slavery issue, it seems that definitions of terms is absolutely necessary to understand a topic. The term slavery is used in the Bible and not condemned but it is not chattel slavery. If Edwards held no racist views then I cant see how what he did was wrong especially considering the time period. My wife's mother from Holland was in Indonesia as a child and they had local people as servants all the time. They treated them very well and became very much a part of the family. When she got back to Holland after the war they were accused of taking advantage of these people ,but they really had not.
I'm sorry but right and wrong are evident to us all, and the "times one lives in" are no excuse for wrongdoing. I am not for "cancelling" Johnathan Edwards, but am all for saying that slaveholding was wrong no matter who did it and when. Slave owneship was sinful in 1619, 1719, 1819, and 2023. But hey, Edwards had a lot of kids and needed a lot of help, so slavery! Gimme a break, people. Don't cancel him, just read him with a grain of salt.
I took a history class at George Mason a few years ago about George Washington and something taught in the class really enlightened me to this issue – that slave owners who were kind to their slaves and treated them well, were considered a blessing and protective since slavery was legal and they needed kind/godly owners.
Remnant Radio has been integral in my increasing desire to delve into church history and the teachings of men and women of God in times past. I recognize the necessity of learning from past successes and failures and incorporating those into my own life and ministry, as well as the love of the truth and doctrine. Thank you guys for your service to the body of Christ! May the Lord bless and increase your ministry.
Wikipedia: "Jonathan Edwards (October 5, 1703 – March 22, 1758) was an American revivalist preacher, philosopher, and Congregationalist theologian who wrote "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" Like Edwards' other works, it combines vivid imagery of Hell with observations of the world and citations of Biblical scripture. Edwards' role as an enslaver and advocate of slavery has been the subject of recent controversy" My comment: There is no evidence that anything Edwards ever said or wrote is true.
Wonderful, informative discussion. I have very little understanding of the depth of the faith, knowledge, and devotion of these 18th century Saints. It makes my "Christianity" seem very shallow.
For sure edwards should have known. Also, if it was before the revolution, he’s not American, he’s British…☺️ and belongs to the commonwealth. 🤭 also, it’s petty…. It’s indigenous, not native Indians. I find it interesting he had a major ministry with the indigenous, but was a slave owner, but indigenous people were also sold and traded in the slave trade in America. However, I agree. Don’t cancel, but I think it’s okay to critic past people. Not white wash it. Otherwise it looks like we are hiding something. It’s about humility. Greatest mind, but had a major flaw. You can know and read many languages and not understand the Imago Dei and justify owning someone instead of giving someone meaningful employment.
Time would be better spent studying the Word rather than deep diving into Edwards. The Word confirms itself, and the Holy Spirit rightly teaches so that we can discern truth and doctrine.
7:25 Jonathan Edwards or John Owen the greatest mind(s) in the history of the church? I’m not sure I’d even rate them among the top ten. Above Edwards and Owen (in roughly chronological order) I’d at the very least put Origen, Gregory of Nazianzus, Augustine, Cyril of Alexandria, Maximus the Confessor, Anselm of Canterbury, Thomas Aquinas, John Duns Scotus, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Johann Gerhard, Gottfried Leibniz, Alvin Plantinga, and N.T. Wright, to name a few. Even in their own day, Edwards and Owen were simply outclassed by Gottfried Leibniz; Leibniz was simply a better philosopher, mathematician, and, dare I say, theologian.
Wasn't David Brainerd his son-in-law or at least fiancee of one of his daughters? He was also known for ministering to the Native Americans and died early in Edwards home.
The condemnation of people in the past owning slaves is always odd to me, as most of the time those condemnations are being made by people on devices, wearing clothes, and surrounded by objects likely made with slave labor. Slavery is wrong, but instead of focusing on dead men participating in it we should probably be more concerned with our own current participation in it.
God says; 1 Cor 1 18-19 I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” so there's that. Forgive me but when we need to preface who we are by first listing our degrees and the number of books we've written and how long we've preached or taught I think there is a manifestation of something going on.
Funny how Storms thinks the Calvinist God is somehow bigger. He forgets that He can be knocked over by a "Rogue molecule" according to Sproul and others. He is incapable of making free willed creatures.
Have you ever had anyone on the show that holds to Molinism? I would love to see that discussion. I would recommend Dr Kirk MacGregor (a personal friend and mentor of mine).
Our pastor for years talked about his 5 dead guys and Edwards was of coarse one of them. He passed away in 2018 and I wish now I had paid better attention. Thank you for this conversation . My wife got me a condensed book of sermons from Edwards last Christmas called "A Journey Toward Heaven" edited by Dustin Benge. Really nice to have as it is a daily devotional and an easy read.
I would like to point a few things out in defense of the slavery issue, it seems that definitions of terms is absolutely necessary to understand a topic. The term slavery is used in the Bible and not condemned but it is not chattel slavery. If Edwards held no racist views then I cant see how what he did was wrong especially considering the time period. My wife's mother from Holland was in Indonesia as a child and they had local people as servants all the time. They treated them very well and became very much a part of the family. When she got back to Holland after the war they were accused of taking advantage of these people ,but they really had not.
I'm sorry but right and wrong are evident to us all, and the "times one lives in" are no excuse for wrongdoing. I am not for "cancelling" Johnathan Edwards, but am all for saying that slaveholding was wrong no matter who did it and when. Slave owneship was sinful in 1619, 1719, 1819, and 2023. But hey, Edwards had a lot of kids and needed a lot of help, so slavery! Gimme a break, people. Don't cancel him, just read him with a grain of salt.
Nice way to deal with all that Beth Moore tweeted the other day guys without having to use her name.
14:11 ….. I’m gonna say something radical here…. Owing slaves in and of itself was not a sin
A very enlightening episode.👍🏻 Especially the iconic background and halo above Dr Storms. 😁😉
I took a history class at George Mason a few years ago about George Washington and something taught in the class really enlightened me to this issue – that slave owners who were kind to their slaves and treated them well, were considered a blessing and protective since slavery was legal and they needed kind/godly owners.
Write a book on casting out demons
Remnant Radio has been integral in my increasing desire to delve into church history and the teachings of men and women of God in times past. I recognize the necessity of learning from past successes and failures and incorporating those into my own life and ministry, as well as the love of the truth and doctrine. Thank you guys for your service to the body of Christ! May the Lord bless and increase your ministry.
Rowntree, you and Josh should dedicate an episode to Josh's current stance on the five points. It would be an interesting conversation.
Edwards was dim bulb Calvinist and even he got the Spirit.
Wikipedia:
"Jonathan Edwards (October 5, 1703 – March 22, 1758) was an American revivalist preacher, philosopher, and Congregationalist theologian who wrote "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God"
Like Edwards' other works, it combines vivid imagery of Hell with observations of the world and citations of Biblical scripture. Edwards' role as an enslaver and advocate of slavery has been the subject of recent controversy"
My comment:
There is no evidence that anything Edwards ever said or wrote is true.
Have not been able to find the show on the Distinguishing Marks of the Holy Spirit.
Review Adam Harwood's systematic theology !
Wonderful, informative discussion. I have very little understanding of the depth of the faith, knowledge, and devotion of these 18th century Saints. It makes my "Christianity" seem very shallow.
For sure edwards should have known. Also, if it was before the revolution, he’s not American, he’s British…☺️ and belongs to the commonwealth. 🤭 also, it’s petty…. It’s indigenous, not native Indians. I find it interesting he had a major ministry with the indigenous, but was a slave owner, but indigenous people were also sold and traded in the slave trade in America. However, I agree. Don’t cancel, but I think it’s okay to critic past people. Not white wash it. Otherwise it looks like we are hiding something. It’s about humility. Greatest mind, but had a major flaw. You can know and read many languages and not understand the Imago Dei and justify owning someone instead of giving someone meaningful employment.
How do we know then what he is saying if no one can decipher his writing?
Please bring in a specialist on Tozer!
Time would be better spent studying the Word rather than deep diving into Edwards. The Word confirms itself, and the Holy Spirit rightly teaches so that we can discern truth and doctrine.
Thank you, Gentlemen 🌹🌹🌹🌹
Tell Sam to look at Michael card's study on Hesed of God
7:25 Jonathan Edwards or John Owen the greatest mind(s) in the history of the church? I’m not sure I’d even rate them among the top ten. Above Edwards and Owen (in roughly chronological order) I’d at the very least put Origen, Gregory of Nazianzus, Augustine, Cyril of Alexandria, Maximus the Confessor, Anselm of Canterbury, Thomas Aquinas, John Duns Scotus, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Johann Gerhard, Gottfried Leibniz, Alvin Plantinga, and N.T. Wright, to name a few. Even in their own day, Edwards and Owen were simply outclassed by Gottfried Leibniz; Leibniz was simply a better philosopher, mathematician, and, dare I say, theologian.
Wasn't David Brainerd his son-in-law or at least fiancee of one of his daughters? He was also known for ministering to the Native Americans and died early in Edwards home.
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The condemnation of people in the past owning slaves is always odd to me, as most of the time those condemnations are being made by people on devices, wearing clothes, and surrounded by objects likely made with slave labor. Slavery is wrong, but instead of focusing on dead men participating in it we should probably be more concerned with our own current participation in it.
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Calvin did some horrible things to his rivals and others in Vienna Look that up.
God says; 1 Cor 1 18-19
I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” so there's that. Forgive me but when we need to preface who we are by first listing our degrees and the number of books we've written and how long we've preached or taught I think there is a manifestation of something going on.
Funny how Storms thinks the Calvinist God is somehow bigger. He forgets that He can be knocked over by a "Rogue molecule" according to Sproul and others. He is incapable of making free willed creatures.
God bless you guys for this great episode. I love how you all interacted with one another, plus it was great to hear Sam talk about Edwards
Who cares if he owned slaves? It was legal at the time and I'm sure he treated them well.
Have you ever had anyone on the show that holds to Molinism? I would love to see that discussion. I would recommend Dr Kirk MacGregor (a personal friend and mentor of mine).
Also, I love Edward's, though I'm not a Calvinist. I love the religious affections.
So many books on prayer
What's the best book I can read about J Edwards???
if you are believing the doctrine of ECT, you are believing a demonic thing and probably are not part of the body
Slave-owner.