The people behind movies like this aren't interested in making you believe in God, they just want to judge you and make you feel bad about yourself That thinking clouds their minds so much that it ruins their attempts at storytelling and they just go off the deep end
They sounded so thrilled and excited while describing the "demonic attacks" on the production. Hearing them describe all those terrible things happening with such barely veiled delight in their voices was stomach turning and incredibly telling. They didn't see anyone else's suffering or difficulties, all they saw was their team "winning". What a sick worldview.
The reason why I don't like most horror movies is because they have their premise set in religion. I am not religious. Which means I don't believe there is a god, nor do I believe in devils, demons, or any nefarious stuff religious folk can come up with to scare us into believing their scam. To believe in "the" devil, you need to be religious, cross-over to "their" side. I won't, because religious stuff is make-believe, a disgusting form of blackmail, you have to accept the claim they are making. Since I don't, everything that has a basis in religion is ludicrous to me, doesn't make any sense and is thus, laughable. End of lineβ¦
The devil and other fallen angels got cast out of heaven by God so obviously saying Iβm an atheist and I donβt believe in God would be like saying any ridiculously obvious truth like the sky is blue. I assume being cast out of heaven first hand would be a slap in the face by a human who was given free will and all of gods gifts π€·ββοΈ just my thoughts on that scene that confused you.
It's so stupid to spread hyperpleaserized fear to try indoctrination on the masses. It's foolish and ignorant if you actually believe it to be true or real without merit.
It's funny because when the demon is making his case in the one scene he's entirely sympathetic
Something the creators didn't really intend.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with slaves rising up to challenge a hierarchy where they are stuck on the bottom.
Which is crazy that the above notion is such a subversive, anti-Christian idea. Hell, that is my origin story. I was a Christian until I intended a sermon titled 'You Are a Slave to God' in which all forms of rebellion against authority were compared to Satan's betrayal. Say what?! I have to kiss some invisible step-dad's feet and plan my existence around his mood swings? A guy that gives me nothing and expects everything? Because 'or else'? That's not a creator, that's divine Stockholm syndrome.
Sounds like the priest was trying to get everyone to calm the fuck down because they were blowing the curse thing out of proportion and it was feeding itself through paranoia.
Iβve been playing D&D for ten years, and within that hobby the belief in cursed dice is rife among otherwise rational people.
Iβve thought for a while now that the way it always goes is like this: β you start a new campaign or start playing with a new set of dice β you roll two 1s within a relatively short space of time (not that unlikely given how often you roll dice in that game) β everyone goes βoooohhh noooo cursed die lolβ β from then on, you notice and remember every 1 you roll β you donβt really notice all the other numbers you roll β cursed die story is born
First any educated person that still thinks there's a deity Has a severe problem with reality. Society has to confront the fact that we just fear death.
Appreciate your comments re working with those with mental illnesses. The implication in the film that a patient couldn't possible know their diagnosis descriptions in DSM/ ICD or whatever is demeaning. Just like physical illnesses β if you are chronically affected you absolutely learn about it. And part of that is the need to advocate for yourself among non specialists, as well as being able to explain your own experience β regardless if it fits the textbook template.
About the "I'm the most rational being" line. They're not trying to make the character seem intimidating, they're just knee-jerking against the word "rational" as if it's a banner held by their eternal enemy, the atheists. To them, rational = atheist = bad. So of course the demon is rational.
Just need to correct the bit where you said people sacrificed babies to Yahweh: never happened.
The Bible talks in the old testament about how child sacrifice is an abhorrent abomination to God.
There may in fact have been people that mistakenly killed a baby, thinking that God would accept it, but the Bible is crystal clear on how much God hates killing or otherwise harming children.
To kill a human is murder. You cheapen your arguments but not recognizing it as such and playing moral relativism. Very reactionary to what your past has brought you to now, and belies the logical analysis that you were otherwise doing well on.
Wowsers, maybe someday someone who understands that just hamfistedly shoving their beliefs onto the audience isn't how to get them to watch media and understands how to actually execute on that premise well will give us good christian media! Then we'll have 2, Vegietales and that! Not bad for over three decades of Christian entertainment.
Oh for fuck's sake I'm less than 10 minutes in and I'm facepalming. OK. So the demon's taunting the atheist. Like people have pointed out, why would a demon go after an atheist anyway? Someone who doesn't believe in demons isn't going to work based off that premise. So if it's a real demon then telling Guy Man it wants to die is stupid because guy man is going to see him as insane, so he'll stay imprisoned. And if it's a normal guy trying to trick him, then⦠then this isn't a fundamentalist christian film so I'm not going to waste energy considering that.
You know what WOULD work here? If the psychologist was christian. Because then he has to actually deal with the dilemma of, "do I declare him sane and play right into his demonic hands, or do I say he's crazy and not do my job properly by giving what I believe to be the wrong diagnosis? But if he isn't possessed then I'd be keeping a monster off death row." You could have some real tension there.
I didn't think this movie was thaaaat bad nor too over the top religious; sure it could have been dialed back near the end, but it wasn't as bad as God's Not Dead series. It's at least partially known any demonic possession movie would have religious and often Christian elements to it, so you should have already been primed to expect it.
It all makes sense now!! No wonder i couldnt take that movie seriously!!π€¦ββοΈπ€¦ββοΈ the problem isnt cheesy conversion scenes, the problem is the "mass persuasion!!" I really love making christians an object of fun, but they really arent all that smart!! Edit: if it wasnt for athiests are going to hell, i might give them a bit more credit!! My mom was friends with a super christian lady who said my math teacher grandfather (scientist) was going to hell cuz he didnt believe, he was the sweetest, most generous and loving person ever!! If hes not going to heaven, i dont want to go either!!π€·ββοΈπ€·ββοΈ Also, maybe they just want the atheists to look incompetent, but it probably has more to do with them not having any idea how real clinicians work and they dont have anybody that knew or cared enough to correct them!! I think this is more the screenwriters incompetence!!π¬π¬π€·ββοΈπ€·ββοΈππ
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Modern skeptics are just bitter crybabies obsessed w the illusions of their own intelligence
i thought the move came across as more anti woke than pro christian
3:50 cracked me upπ
jews actually reject the idea of devils and hell, so most of that was derived from persian stuff, which proves why religions are damn fake.
ah yes the Luigi Bored, the devil's door to the heart.
The Exorcist is a better Christian movie/novel
As a Christian, I agree with you.
In alot of these "Christian Films" there's no room for good writing only tlaking down on people who don't belive in Jesus.
If you are interested to see actually good Christian content, read anything by C.S. Lewis.
He is a fantastic writer that isn't attacking people. Rather he address real life issue through fantasy that has theological mirroring.
Infact I see this movie trying to mimic his book "ScrewTape Letters" and doing horribly.
I'm trying to write my own dystopian/horror novel that I want to convey biblical messages but not be in the readers face about it.
If anyone is willing try look through my rough draft and give suggestions, I would really appreciate that!:)
This movie feels like a comedy
The people behind movies like this aren't interested in making you believe in God, they just want to judge you and make you feel bad about yourself
That thinking clouds their minds so much that it ruins their attempts at storytelling and they just go off the deep end
They sounded so thrilled and excited while describing the "demonic attacks" on the production. Hearing them describe all those terrible things happening with such barely veiled delight in their voices was stomach turning and incredibly telling. They didn't see anyone else's suffering or difficulties, all they saw was their team "winning". What a sick worldview.
The reason why I don't like most horror movies is because they have their premise set in religion. I am not religious. Which means I don't believe there is a god, nor do I believe in devils, demons, or any nefarious stuff religious folk can come up with to scare us into believing their scam. To believe in "the" devil, you need to be religious, cross-over to "their" side. I won't, because religious stuff is make-believe, a disgusting form of blackmail, you have to accept the claim they are making. Since I don't, everything that has a basis in religion is ludicrous to me, doesn't make any sense and is thus, laughable. End of lineβ¦
Tje Luigi board? Very funny guy!
This was a weird piece of content.
I think they just don't actually know what the word 'rational' means.
Could The Exorcist be classed as a Christian movie?
Demons and such, according to most of what I have read, need the belief.
The devil and other fallen angels got cast out of heaven by God so obviously saying Iβm an atheist and I donβt believe in God would be like saying any ridiculously obvious truth like the sky is blue. I assume being cast out of heaven first hand would be a slap in the face by a human who was given free will and all of gods gifts π€·ββοΈ just my thoughts on that scene that confused you.
It's so stupid to spread hyperpleaserized fear to try indoctrination on the masses. It's foolish and ignorant if you actually believe it to be true or real without merit.
I hope you cover the 1970s Christian grindhouse movies by Estus Pirkle!
It's funny because when the demon is making his case in the one scene he's entirely sympathetic
Something the creators didn't really intend.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with slaves rising up to challenge a hierarchy where they are stuck on the bottom.
Which is crazy that the above notion is such a subversive, anti-Christian idea. Hell, that is my origin story. I was a Christian until I intended a sermon titled 'You Are a Slave to God' in which all forms of rebellion against authority were compared to Satan's betrayal. Say what?! I have to kiss some invisible step-dad's feet and plan my existence around his mood swings? A guy that gives me nothing and expects everything? Because 'or else'? That's not a creator, that's divine Stockholm syndrome.
Sounds like the priest was trying to get everyone to calm the fuck down because they were blowing the curse thing out of proportion and it was feeding itself through paranoia.
Iβve been playing D&D for ten years, and within that hobby the belief in cursed dice is rife among otherwise rational people.
Iβve thought for a while now that the way it always goes is like this:
β you start a new campaign or start playing with a new set of dice
β you roll two 1s within a relatively short space of time (not that unlikely given how often you roll dice in that game)
β everyone goes βoooohhh noooo cursed die lolβ
β from then on, you notice and remember every 1 you roll
β you donβt really notice all the other numbers you roll
β cursed die story is born
respectfully, the demon attacks atheism because he needs the psychiatrist/lawyer to believe in the concept/premise before he can convince them
First any educated person that still thinks there's a deity
Has a severe problem with reality.
Society has to confront the fact that we just fear death.
Yhwach Bach reference
Appreciate your comments re working with those with mental illnesses. The implication in the film that a patient couldn't possible know their diagnosis descriptions in DSM/ ICD or whatever is demeaning. Just like physical illnesses β if you are chronically affected you absolutely learn about it. And part of that is the need to advocate for yourself among non specialists, as well as being able to explain your own experience β regardless if it fits the textbook template.
What they describe starting at around 30 minutes sounds like God Herself was trying to stop the movie.
About the "I'm the most rational being" line. They're not trying to make the character seem intimidating, they're just knee-jerking against the word "rational" as if it's a banner held by their eternal enemy, the atheists. To them, rational = atheist = bad. So of course the demon is rational.
Just need to correct the bit where you said people sacrificed babies to Yahweh: never happened.
The Bible talks in the old testament about how child sacrifice is an abhorrent abomination to God.
There may in fact have been people that mistakenly killed a baby, thinking that God would accept it, but the Bible is crystal clear on how much God hates killing or otherwise harming children.
To kill a human is murder. You cheapen your arguments but not recognizing it as such and playing moral relativism. Very reactionary to what your past has brought you to now, and belies the logical analysis that you were otherwise doing well on.
Wowsers, maybe someday someone who understands that just hamfistedly shoving their beliefs onto the audience isn't how to get them to watch media and understands how to actually execute on that premise well will give us good christian media! Then we'll have 2, Vegietales and that! Not bad for over three decades of Christian entertainment.
Oh for fuck's sake I'm less than 10 minutes in and I'm facepalming. OK. So the demon's taunting the atheist. Like people have pointed out, why would a demon go after an atheist anyway? Someone who doesn't believe in demons isn't going to work based off that premise. So if it's a real demon then telling Guy Man it wants to die is stupid because guy man is going to see him as insane, so he'll stay imprisoned. And if it's a normal guy trying to trick him, then⦠then this isn't a fundamentalist christian film so I'm not going to waste energy considering that.
You know what WOULD work here? If the psychologist was christian. Because then he has to actually deal with the dilemma of, "do I declare him sane and play right into his demonic hands, or do I say he's crazy and not do my job properly by giving what I believe to be the wrong diagnosis? But if he isn't possessed then I'd be keeping a monster off death row." You could have some real tension there.
All the possession stories I've heard are about Christians getting possessed. The more devout, the worse the possession.
You don't hear about atheists getting possessed.
I didn't think this movie was thaaaat bad nor too over the top religious; sure it could have been dialed back near the end, but it wasn't as bad as God's Not Dead series. It's at least partially known any demonic possession movie would have religious and often Christian elements to it, so you should have already been primed to expect it.
Please, dont forsake your own mercy. Those who regard useless idols forsake their own mercy.
Dont put more faith in the words of man than you do the words the god. Please.
It all makes sense now!! No wonder i couldnt take that movie seriously!!π€¦ββοΈπ€¦ββοΈ the problem isnt cheesy conversion scenes, the problem is the "mass persuasion!!" I really love making christians an object of fun, but they really arent all that smart!!
Edit: if it wasnt for athiests are going to hell, i might give them a bit more credit!! My mom was friends with a super christian lady who said my math teacher grandfather (scientist) was going to hell cuz he didnt believe, he was the sweetest, most generous and loving person ever!! If hes not going to heaven, i dont want to go either!!π€·ββοΈπ€·ββοΈ
Also, maybe they just want the atheists to look incompetent, but it probably has more to do with them not having any idea how real clinicians work and they dont have anybody that knew or cared enough to correct them!! I think this is more the screenwriters incompetence!!π¬π¬π€·ββοΈπ€·ββοΈππ
Make no mistake GMS, you're no carpenter.
Did'nt realize this is a site run by the deciever. My bad, nothing to see here.
Its scary how you're better at writing christan propaganda than the actual propagandists