George white field was not only a supporter of slavery, but is the sole cause for A southern state adopting legalization of race based slavery. He threatened to dissolve his orphanage lest it be legalized.
That is not Christian, and is abhorrent. Forcing – by threat of death or beating, to carry out your ministry is an abomination.
"That will make them better slaves"??? Oh no, Whitfield was just echoing the apostle Paul, he was not a racist, lol "He (Whitfield) has a very high view of the work ethic of the black people"… except he did not believe in paying them for their hard work 😂😂😂 STOP MAKING EXCUSES! Just say even the men we look up to all had their flaws, that is why one ought to follow Christ not men, the end.
"There’s a tendency to want to gloss over injustices for the sake of unity. However, any authentic attempt to pursue unity and reconciliation must start with truth. The journey toward healing begins with an awakening."–' John M Perkins
I think many would just respond: "If the Bible didn't outright declare slavery wrong, that just shows reveals it as false and oppressive." That however, denies that God has historically met us where we are then leads us where he wants us to go.
Race revisionists of our day seek to erase the Christian influence within abolition and "liberalism" generally. They appropriate past "good" solely for themselves and place all "evil" at the feet of their enemies. (I use quotes because of the malleability of those words. Pick your own definition, I guess.) The three-fifths compromise becomes instead a goal enshrined by racist founders into a racist constitution of a racist nation.
Uniquely, the Bible details the history of God's people without saving face for them, even to its last recorded generation. Paul imprisoned and murdered others for their beliefs and another of their member sold the Messiah into torture and death. The only one left unstained within is Jesus. Thankfully, he is able to work all for His good.
Nope. Not buying it. People forget about what we call "the Golden Rule", which is in the Bible. Jesus made that rule, He preached it and lived by it. I "judge" (for lack of a better term) Edwards and Whitfield by that. They wouldn't have wanted to be slaves, yet they enslaved others. Period. No, slavery isn't a sin, per se, BUT God calls His people to a higher standard. A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD.
what do you make of what John Newton said: "a confession, which … comes too late … It will always be a subject of humiliating reflection to me, that I was once an active instrument in a business at which my heart now shudders."?
This particular topic “can be” leveraged by the far left or radicals to super impose and justify their assertion of critical race theory and intersectionality. And that would be 100% wrong. I believe those perspectives to be in complete error.
Now let’s not make the same error as if this understanding of Edwards and G.W. dealings with slavery is not serious or heinous. Their grand understanding of theology doesn’t qualify them or us to sin…if anything it shows Gods amazing work in a person despite how wicked a sinner ultimately is apart from saving grace. Bottomline: study their work knowing you are witnessing Gods hand in a broken vessel but WE HAVE failed as a reformed community by lifting them as Giants of the faith…they were men. Smart yes. Wicked? Yes. Forgiven? absolutely. Declared righteous by Christ? Yes. Examples? Well I don’t think so. Example if you mean warning.
Oh, for Pete's sake! Paul's work wasn't abolition, it was freeing men from their sin. Paul couldn't do anything about the slaves' situation on Earth—- he could only tell them how to go to glory AFTER, and how to live for God til then. YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO BE OWNED BY ANYONE, treated well or not.
I think ppl mistake slavery which a person could do for their debts and be free in 7 years- man stealing which had the death penalty. (Old Testament). In the new testament slaves were what? Captives of war?
Abortion is our social norm. Homosexuality is our social norm. You can’t blame social norms. God is our basis for morality, not society. To “love your neighbor as yourself” shines light on the hypocrisy of this man. Unless he would desire slavery for himself and his children, he was at best a hypocrite like the Pharisees of old. Comfort and convenience should not trump morality towards treating your fellow man as yourself.
I think the fact that the biblical stance on slavery is so bad that MEN OF GOD LIKE WHITFIELD AND EDWARDS supported black slavery and yet the bible also makes such harsh and clear stances on things like sex, and holy days and diets and fabrics tells the whole story. The Bible is clearly not a reliable moral guide. This idea that God couldn't outright say that owning another person is a sin because He wanted to meet people where they were at that time completely ignores the fact that God's laws ALWAYS went against the time and what sinful people desired to do. That is why we have all the laws both moral and ceremonial. So if the bible is true and God is real, unfortunately He seems to be very upset at a married couple engaging in sex while the wife is on her period BUT owning heathens and fellow Israelites until the day of Jubilee is totally okay. Really awful and it's no wonder so many southern christians got the slavery issue horribly wrong.
Do we still learn from them because of some of their failures? The old testament is full if heroes of the faith who failed at various times, do we abandon scripture?
If the church did what they should have done in MLK time things would have been different. Love the LORD thy God with all thy heart mind and strength and thy neighbor as thyself. The church is and has been woefully impotent.
I have been so blessed by your videos brother! Thank you for taking the time to research and make them. I heard in your videos that you want to encourage us that we would study history also. I was wondering, could you make a video that talks about how we should study history? Many of us grew up studying history from our institutions (which may or may not be correct.). I realized I want to relearn how to study history from an objective-ish perspective, but I am unsure how! And it is dificult to sort through what is true and false, especially since today history is starting to almost be re-written. Thank you for your labors 🙂
It is enough to affirm biblical principles, truth is true regardless of the individual. It saddens me to know that these profound men were so wrong on this issue.
This is some racist stuff. White Evangelicals are always attacking Dr King and anything that they think blacks and people of color are a part of. This country is so divided and these people actually think that they are doing the will of God. Calling right wrong and wrong right. Black people RUN very quickly away from this slave idea. These are the same people that were a part of the Capitol Insurrection
I think we as Christians also need to examine the modern morality of racism against what the Bible says. The Bible says in many places that there is one group of people He has set aside as a holy race: Israelites. They are not to inter marry with foreign people and their gods. These are the people God has chosen to be a light and salt to all the other nations and through them the nations will be saved. Jesus saud He came only for Israel. Paul talks a lot about Israel too, especially in Romans, as in Romans 9-11 and says God is fulfilling His promises to Israel in the prophets through a remnant of them, scattered among the nations — these being the house if Israel in the Greek world being saved.
I would say two things: 1) There were also modern enlightened people, like Voltaire, who were involved in slave trade. 2) Some Christians, like Wesley, some anabaptists, other evangelical circles, who were able to reject slavery as such.
Whitfield didn't just reluctantly accept slavery, he argued for it and even it's expansion. Most of the founders at least had some level of ambivalence to slavery.
Do we today have any right to judge? There are more slaves now than ever and many are involved in popular brands and products, let alone tech. The Christians mentioned were protestant, the Catholic Church had the first human rights gathering in Spain under Las Casas. It's one thing to hold a principle, even deeply…another to apply it.
God is real, a very much age-old extension of humanity. Some use the expression the collective higher consciousness. On the other hand all sacred books are POLLUTED by biased sociocultural factors based upon the regions they first manifested. It’s obvious! The Bible’s stance on war, slavery, homosexuality, obvious sexism, and allowance for polygeny with no representation of polyandry HAVE nothing to do with God. It took me a long time to get to this place, but I got there, despite the fact it was screaming loud in my face!!!!
Hey Jon. Any particular reason why your last interview is no longer up? I'm really enjoying your webcast btw and now have my parents watching too!
George white field was not only a supporter of slavery, but is the sole cause for A southern state adopting legalization of race based slavery. He threatened to dissolve his orphanage lest it be legalized.
That is not Christian, and is abhorrent. Forcing – by threat of death or beating, to carry out your ministry is an abomination.
As per the similarities of people: what different does science make? The word of God settles the matter, and the word has not changed.
John Wesley rebuked Whitefield to his face about slavery.
Great way to make excuses
"That will make them better slaves"??? Oh no, Whitfield was just echoing the apostle Paul, he was not a racist, lol
"He (Whitfield) has a very high view of the work ethic of the black people"… except he did not believe in paying them for their hard work 😂😂😂
STOP MAKING EXCUSES! Just say even the men we look up to all had their flaws, that is why one ought to follow Christ not men, the end.
"There’s a tendency to want to gloss over injustices for the sake of unity. However, any authentic attempt to pursue unity and reconciliation must start with truth. The journey toward healing begins with an awakening."–' John M Perkins
I think many would just respond: "If the Bible didn't outright declare slavery wrong, that just shows reveals it as false and oppressive." That however, denies that God has historically met us where we are then leads us where he wants us to go.
Race revisionists of our day seek to erase the Christian influence within abolition and "liberalism" generally. They appropriate past "good" solely for themselves and place all "evil" at the feet of their enemies. (I use quotes because of the malleability of those words. Pick your own definition, I guess.) The three-fifths compromise becomes instead a goal enshrined by racist founders into a racist constitution of a racist nation.
Uniquely, the Bible details the history of God's people without saving face for them, even to its last recorded generation. Paul imprisoned and murdered others for their beliefs and another of their member sold the Messiah into torture and death. The only one left unstained within is Jesus. Thankfully, he is able to work all for His good.
Nope. Not buying it. People forget about what we call "the Golden Rule", which is in the Bible. Jesus made that rule, He preached it and lived by it. I "judge" (for lack of a better term) Edwards and Whitfield by that. They wouldn't have wanted to be slaves, yet they enslaved others. Period. No, slavery isn't a sin, per se, BUT God calls His people to a higher standard. A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD.
what do you make of what John Newton said: "a confession, which … comes too late … It will always be a subject of humiliating reflection to me, that I was once an active instrument in a business at which my heart now shudders."?
This particular topic “can be” leveraged by the far left or radicals to super impose and justify their assertion of critical race theory and intersectionality. And that would be 100% wrong. I believe those perspectives to be in complete error.
Now let’s not make the same error as if this understanding of Edwards and G.W. dealings with slavery is not serious or heinous. Their grand understanding of theology doesn’t qualify them or us to sin…if anything it shows Gods amazing work in a person despite how wicked a sinner ultimately is apart from saving grace. Bottomline: study their work knowing you are witnessing Gods hand in a broken vessel but WE HAVE failed as a reformed community by lifting them as Giants of the faith…they were men. Smart yes. Wicked? Yes. Forgiven? absolutely. Declared righteous by Christ? Yes. Examples? Well I don’t think so. Example if you mean warning.
Oh, for Pete's sake! Paul's work wasn't abolition, it was freeing men from their sin. Paul couldn't do anything about the slaves' situation on Earth—- he could only tell them how to go to glory AFTER, and how to live for God til then. YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO BE OWNED BY ANYONE, treated well or not.
I think ppl mistake slavery which a person could do for their debts and be free in 7 years- man stealing which had the death penalty. (Old Testament). In the new testament slaves were what? Captives of war?
Abortion is our social norm. Homosexuality is our social norm. You can’t blame social norms. God is our basis for morality, not society. To “love your neighbor as yourself” shines light on the hypocrisy of this man. Unless he would desire slavery for himself and his children, he was at best a hypocrite like the Pharisees of old. Comfort and convenience should not trump morality towards treating your fellow man as yourself.
I think the fact that the biblical stance on slavery is so bad that MEN OF GOD LIKE WHITFIELD AND EDWARDS supported black slavery and yet the bible also makes such harsh and clear stances on things like sex, and holy days and diets and fabrics tells the whole story. The Bible is clearly not a reliable moral guide. This idea that God couldn't outright say that owning another person is a sin because He wanted to meet people where they were at that time completely ignores the fact that God's laws ALWAYS went against the time and what sinful people desired to do. That is why we have all the laws both moral and ceremonial. So if the bible is true and God is real, unfortunately He seems to be very upset at a married couple engaging in sex while the wife is on her period BUT owning heathens and fellow Israelites until the day of Jubilee is totally okay. Really awful and it's no wonder so many southern christians got the slavery issue horribly wrong.
Do we still learn from them because of some of their failures? The old testament is full if heroes of the faith who failed at various times, do we abandon scripture?
Jon Harris, how to contact this channel? I have a request. Need a bit of background for it.
Recently, discovered Kyle J. Howard on Twitter. He is a heretic himself. If it sounds like the world its the world. That's how we should view him.
Great video !!! Agreed !!
If the church did what they should have done in MLK time things would have been different. Love the LORD thy God with all thy heart mind and strength and thy neighbor as thyself. The church is and has been woefully impotent.
I have been so blessed by your videos brother! Thank you for taking the time to research and make them. I heard in your videos that you want to encourage us that we would study history also. I was wondering, could you make a video that talks about how we should study history? Many of us grew up studying history from our institutions (which may or may not be correct.). I realized I want to relearn how to study history from an objective-ish perspective, but I am unsure how! And it is dificult to sort through what is true and false, especially since today history is starting to almost be re-written. Thank you for your labors 🙂
It is enough to affirm biblical principles, truth is true regardless of the individual. It saddens me to know that these profound men were so wrong on this issue.
This is some racist stuff. White Evangelicals are always attacking Dr King and anything that they think blacks and people of color are a part of. This country is so divided and these people actually think that they are doing the will of God. Calling right wrong and wrong right. Black people RUN very quickly away from this slave idea. These are the same people that were a part of the Capitol Insurrection
I think we as Christians also need to examine the modern morality of racism against what the Bible says. The Bible says in many places that there is one group of people He has set aside as a holy race: Israelites. They are not to inter marry with foreign people and their gods. These are the people God has chosen to be a light and salt to all the other nations and through them the nations will be saved. Jesus saud He came only for Israel. Paul talks a lot about Israel too, especially in Romans, as in Romans 9-11 and says God is fulfilling His promises to Israel in the prophets through a remnant of them, scattered among the nations — these being the house if Israel in the Greek world being saved.
I would say two things: 1) There were also modern enlightened people, like Voltaire, who were involved in slave trade. 2) Some Christians, like Wesley, some anabaptists, other evangelical circles, who were able to reject slavery as such.
Whitfield didn't just reluctantly accept slavery, he argued for it and even it's expansion. Most of the founders at least had some level of ambivalence to slavery.
Do we today have any right to judge? There are more slaves now than ever and many are involved in popular brands and products, let alone tech. The Christians mentioned were protestant, the Catholic Church had the first human rights gathering in Spain under Las Casas. It's one thing to hold a principle, even deeply…another to apply it.
Slavery as it existed in America was rather benevolent! If they hadn't been brought to America, they would have died in Africa.
God is real, a very much age-old extension of humanity. Some use the expression the collective higher consciousness. On the other hand all sacred books are POLLUTED by biased sociocultural factors based upon the regions they first manifested. It’s obvious! The Bible’s stance on war, slavery, homosexuality, obvious sexism, and allowance for polygeny with no representation of polyandry HAVE nothing to do with God. It took me a long time to get to this place, but I got there, despite the fact it was screaming loud in my face!!!!
Christianity is really a messed up human phylosophy in this respect.
Your a sick himan being for excusing slavary. For excusing salve masters. Whitfield was as messed up as Paul.