God can use people in false doctrine, but we must still call their false doctrine out. A person cannot truly love God until they understand some kind of idea of their sinfulness, and understand the grace of God—that all righteousness is an undeserved gift that flows from the Cross. A man under self-righteousness can "look" good, but Scripture says the heart is deceitful, and every man proclaims his own goodness. To a self-righteous legalist their "love" for God is secretly a love for their own righteousness and goodness, not a pure love for God's glory alone. We cannot sugar-coat this.
"There's no just and sinner, you're either just or a sinner…"
Ok then we're all damned. Who seriously goes through a single day and can honestly say "wow I lived a perfect day with no sin!" ? :/
This is why this system of doctrine is so strongly argued against by reformed and lutheran theologians.
Makes perfect sense that you follow up by discussing how he OBSESSED about OBEDIENCE for chapters and chapters unlike other theologians…
When I consider what other figures or groups have obsessed about obedience and wrote endless works about it and what constituted obedience… easiest answer would be THE PHARISEES.
Christ was clear that we are to AVOID their form of religion, doctrine and thinking. Hyperfocusing on methods of legal obedience takes the focus off of Christ and pollutes the gospel.
Christ died for sinners. God justifies the ungodly. Where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more.
Meant with love, appreciated listening to the discussion, but I disagree strongly with Charles Finney and his theology.
Even Billy Graham referred to Finney as America's greatest revivalist. I encountered Finney's Systematic Theology and Memoirs while at a missionary training school in 1973. Finney was not an Arminian, but rather in the lineage of the New Divinity – Edwards Jr., Edwards Amasa Park and N. W. Taylor of Princeton which was departing from various aspects of Calvinism. However, the seeds of Edwards writings on Benevolence and Grotius' influence on the New Divinity writers that led to the denial of Penal Substitutionary Atonement influenced Finney. Great to see a revival of interest in that godly man's life and theology.
As a Southern Baptist I 100% agree with Charles Finney's view of perseverance of the Saints Don't underestimate God's grace, the most deporlable folk like Paul are likely saved through God's Grace.
PRESS THE LIKE BUTTON!
What are your thoughts or questions? Drop them in the comment section!
God bless!
Yes Finney studied law and was influenced by it….. But so too was Calvin who studied law!
I think the name y'all were looking for was Richard Baxter whose writings on Justification Wesley published like Goodwin's
In a way, governmental theory is a de-personalized form of penal Substitution…..
God can use people in false doctrine, but we must still call their false doctrine out. A person cannot truly love God until they understand some kind of idea of their sinfulness, and understand the grace of God—that all righteousness is an undeserved gift that flows from the Cross. A man under self-righteousness can "look" good, but Scripture says the heart is deceitful, and every man proclaims his own goodness. To a self-righteous legalist their "love" for God is secretly a love for their own righteousness and goodness, not a pure love for God's glory alone. We cannot sugar-coat this.
To be fare Jacob Arminius didn't believe The Elect will finally away he was open to it to the possibility of it But it will not Ultimately happen
"There's no just and sinner, you're either just or a sinner…"
Ok then we're all damned. Who seriously goes through a single day and can honestly say "wow I lived a perfect day with no sin!" ? :/
This is why this system of doctrine is so strongly argued against by reformed and lutheran theologians.
Makes perfect sense that you follow up by discussing how he OBSESSED about OBEDIENCE for chapters and chapters unlike other theologians…
When I consider what other figures or groups have obsessed about obedience and wrote endless works about it and what constituted obedience… easiest answer would be THE PHARISEES.
Christ was clear that we are to AVOID their form of religion, doctrine and thinking. Hyperfocusing on methods of legal obedience takes the focus off of Christ and pollutes the gospel.
Christ died for sinners. God justifies the ungodly. Where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more.
Meant with love, appreciated listening to the discussion, but I disagree strongly with Charles Finney and his theology.
Finney was the arch-heretic of the 19th century.
Even Billy Graham referred to Finney as America's greatest revivalist. I encountered Finney's Systematic Theology and Memoirs while at a missionary training school in 1973. Finney was not an Arminian, but rather in the lineage of the New Divinity – Edwards Jr., Edwards Amasa Park and N. W. Taylor of Princeton which was departing from various aspects of Calvinism. However, the seeds of Edwards writings on Benevolence and Grotius' influence on the New Divinity writers that led to the denial of Penal Substitutionary Atonement influenced Finney. Great to see a revival of interest in that godly man's life and theology.
What concerns do you have with McCall's thoughts on the Trinity?
A low Calvanist sounds like a "no Cavanist."
As a Southern Baptist I 100% agree with Charles Finney's view of perseverance of the Saints
Don't underestimate God's grace, the most deporlable folk like Paul are likely saved through God's Grace.
Interesting conversation
I’m a card carrying Calvinist but still enjoyed the history and perspectives
Appreciated it brothers 👍
Finney is great..i think i prefer him, but not 100% …much of these things are non-essential for believers..