J Kenneth Grider is the one foreign to Arminianism. Neither Arminius or Wesley believed that Christ merely suffered for us. This would be either hyper-Arminianism or semi-Pelagianism.
@ChristianityForReal "and died theaccursed death to supply an indispensable condition of our justification and salvation."
This sounds like pure Mormonism. They too believe Christ provided the CONDITIONS upon which we can earn our salvation. Finney taught works, pure and simple.
@ChristianityForReal "Finney taught justifying faith is also sanctifying faith."
In other words, we are justified because we are sanctified and will continue to be justified as long as we continue to be sanctified. Pure Roman Catholicism.
@HumbleFaith777 …I can answer that question for you, as I am a missionary, in ministry since 1963, and I speak many different languages. In the Greek the words; "My sheep 'hear' my Voice"….."and 'follow' me" , are expressed in the "aortic" tense, (meaning; present continual) So if you are not Hearing in the Now, and followigh in the Now, you are Not sheep. (That is the biblical doctrine of Christ) and 2.Jn.9 , declares that if you do not "Abide" in this doctrine, you "have Not God"…
…dozens of scripture passages in the New Testament make it clear that "if " you "abide in the faith", ( according to attoney's; "if " is the most powerfull word in the English language) the Bible also tells us to "endure to the end", and that we have an "advocate with the Father", (something that would not be necessary if calvinism was true) The above video is very misleading in it's content, and typical Calvinist falsification of Facts. The five points of TULIP is not substantiated …
…by any scripture. It is a false "masonic" based theory from Aurelius Augustine of the fourth century. As such reformed theology must be regarded the second largest "Cult" teaching after Roman Catholicism. It is SATANIC deception of the first magnitude !
Sad that so many unsuspecting people have been "Snared" by this deceptive doctrine of Calvinism.
@sorens70601 "Sad that so many unsuspecting people have been "Snared" by this deceptive doctrine of Calvinism."
Poor Whitefield, Spurgion, Ryle, Bunyan, and a lot of others beside Warfield, Hodge, Kuyper, and many too numerous to mention? And WHO beside the devil's deceived believe the satanic ideas of the blasphemer Finney?
Uncompromised garbage you mean! Have you EVER actually read one of his books? I lasted 125 pages through his lectures on revival. WOW what a nut!
Faith alone is the condition for justification. Faith in the Gospel and our Lord Jesus Christ as He is displayed there in. Christ did NOT just die to set a good, moral example or make us feel love or gratitude or any of the OTHER nonsense taught by Finney and his ilk. He earned our salvation!
@ChristianityForReal "DON'T TAKE IT FOR GRANTED THAT THE KING WILL FOLLOW YOU WHEREVER YOU GO."
Evidently you either do NOT read well or do NOT pay attention Aaron! Jesus said the Shepherd LEAVES the ninety and nine and GOES TO RETRIEVE the wandering lamb. See the dif? God bless.
@HumbleFaith777 …Why do you have difficulty with this ? An advocate is a Lawyer, if you are pronounced "not Guilty" , you would Not need such a "Lawyer before the Father", would you ? The reason that Christ is our advocate, is that we are saved from our 'past sins"(Rom 3:25) not present or future sins. And as 1.Jn.1, declares that, "if we say we have No sin, we Lie, and the Truth is not in us" (this verse alone refutes unconditional eternal security) which posits, that "sin nature" is ….
…still with us, and we need daily to "repent" of Transgressions. That is why Jesus said to "Take up the cross Daily, and follow Him" The "hub of the wheel of redemption", so to speak, resides in the "Seven feasts of the Lord",(Lev.23) in it we find the redemptive work of Christ portrayed in the "Passover , Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits , and Pentecost. (the last two being of course something, that 'Calvinist's know Nothing of, as they "have a form of Godliness, but Deny the power thereof")…
…the feast of firstfruits, was prepared with Two loaves of Bread, (signifying two "works of Grace") This feast did not concern Christ, but those He were to redeem, hence the "Leaven",(a "type" of Sin, or anti-type of Righteousness) was included in the two Loaves, yet the flour was to be " Two tenths deal ephah". (by that signifying that as the "tithe belongs to God", this was God's work in Man) yet the "leaven" signifies that in the "completness of salvation",which includes" Regeneration"…
…and "Sanctification", (one work immediate, the other progressive) still caries with it "Sin-Nature",(as per 1.Jn.1, hence the need for an Advocate), But once the Bread is "baked in the oven of the pentecostal fire" the "leaven is burned out" and the bread comes out "sweet and tasty". This is what John the Baptist alluded to, when He said "after me comes one who will "baptize you in the Holy Ghost and Fire", (refering to this firstfruit feast, and its fulfillment at Pentecost. It is this ….
…Two-fold work of Redemption, (which Calvinists deny) that Christ referred to in Jn.3:5, when He said; "Except a man be born of Water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven". That "water" is Not "water baptism", but rather "The washing of the water of the word", ( Eph.5:26,) and the second part, "the sanctification by the Spirit",(1.Pet.1:2) This "washing of the Water of the Word" , that brings about regeneration, is referred to in Col.2:11 as the "circumcission"….
…done without hands", It is of a "spiritual nature" and called the "baptism into Christ",and is the "Operation of God", (Col.2:12, and Not that of a pastor or elder baptizing you into water) That "sanctification," is a "second" and "prominent work of Grace", that brings about "firstfruit" Christians, is an "un-deniable biblical fact", declared in both Testaments, and something I am open to publically debate any Calvinist on. Hope you understand this so far. I will gladly answer your questions.
God bless you Brother Aaron and surround you with His love throughout the Blessed New Year to come! HOWEVER my point is that the Shepherd DOES go to seek the wandering sheep!
so then according to your view,christ payed for our sin in the sense that god took his wrath out on his son that was due us,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,this does not sound like a just god to me,making his beloved son to suffer for my sin,,,,,,,,,,this is foolish to think,the government of god was upon his shoulders,he died as a sinner.to bring the fullness of the mystery of god to all,this was the great price he payed,and this pleased the father that he was willing to sacrifice he life to bring this fullness of the mystery to man.
Every seeker of Truth must read and meditate on the Bible ALONE and then God will open their eyes to see the TRUTH which will set them free.We are taught by deceivers not to examine ones self to see whether we are in the faith.Therefore modern christianity is nothing but religious dogmas without any power to live in the foot steps of Jesus.We do not understand that a man will not be justified IN his sins but must repent (forsake,renounce and make restitution where possible) before God will forgive and grant freely His Spirit. God bless
Nobody needs to expose Finney, just read what he said. There are a multitude of his books. A great saint of the Lord, far too advanced for reformed Christians.
Charles Finney had his critics then and now Look at the fruit of that ministry ? You critic how many people has God used you to lead many to repentance ? A person may think their own ways are right, but the LORD weighs the heart. ❤✝️ proverbs 21v2
Credit due to that ministry of that awakening in the America.., The fruit and strong ongoing fruit that came out of that. The strong conviction that people who gave them thoroughly to the Lord . Was seen in the majority of those who came to Christ was seen years later..The beauty of the Holy Spirit's conviction in you and me shows us our pride, our critical hearts, our unbelief… l ask what have you done for your Lord out of a willingness and conviction……? as it is written Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test? 2 Cor 13 v5
Its surprising to see people with superficial understanding of G Finney theology ,criticising his work. The results of his teaching and preaching acn not be compared with shallow minded people. His love for God and Jesus, can only be understood by spiritual men who have taken time to study Finney's work.
Charles Finney was a Pelagian, not a Christian.
J Kenneth Grider is the one foreign to Arminianism. Neither Arminius or Wesley believed that Christ merely suffered for us. This would be either hyper-Arminianism or semi-Pelagianism.
Good stuff Stranger! Finney was what modern day hoaxter Joel Osteen is today. Preaching a gospel, which really is no gospel at all. God bless.
@ChristianityForReal And this changes what? This helps Finney How? Adding the rest of the phrase does not change the meaning of what he said.
@WCOFTheology Another fine video Jeff.God Bless
@ChristianityForReal "and died theaccursed death to supply an indispensable condition of our justification and salvation."
This sounds like pure Mormonism. They too believe Christ provided the CONDITIONS upon which we can earn our salvation. Finney taught works, pure and simple.
@ChristianityForReal "Finney taught justifying faith is also sanctifying faith."
In other words, we are justified because we are sanctified and will continue to be justified as long as we continue to be sanctified. Pure Roman Catholicism.
@ChristianityForReal So DO you believe Jesus lied when He said HIS SHEEP would hear His voice and be given ETERNAL LIFE and NEVER PERISH.
@ChristianityForReal "WE HAVE TO FOLLOW HIM ALL THE WAY TO THE END. "
And WHERE exactly do you find THIS bit you have ADDED to John 10:27-30??
@HumbleFaith777 …I can answer that question for you, as I am a missionary, in ministry since 1963, and I speak many different languages. In the Greek the words; "My sheep 'hear' my Voice"….."and 'follow' me" , are expressed in the "aortic" tense, (meaning; present continual) So if you are not Hearing in the Now, and followigh in the Now, you are Not sheep. (That is the biblical doctrine of Christ) and 2.Jn.9 , declares that if you do not "Abide" in this doctrine, you "have Not God"…
…dozens of scripture passages in the New Testament make it clear that "if " you "abide in the faith", ( according to attoney's; "if " is the most powerfull word in the English language) the Bible also tells us to "endure to the end", and that we have an "advocate with the Father", (something that would not be necessary if calvinism was true) The above video is very misleading in it's content, and typical Calvinist falsification of Facts. The five points of TULIP is not substantiated …
…by any scripture. It is a false "masonic" based theory from Aurelius Augustine of the fourth century. As such reformed theology must be regarded the second largest "Cult" teaching after Roman Catholicism. It is SATANIC deception of the first magnitude !
Sad that so many unsuspecting people have been "Snared" by this deceptive doctrine of Calvinism.
@sorens70601 "we have an "advocate with the Father", (something that would not be necessary if calvinism was true"
Why do you say this? It does NOT follow logically.
@sorens70601 "Sad that so many unsuspecting people have been "Snared" by this deceptive doctrine of Calvinism."
Poor Whitefield, Spurgion, Ryle, Bunyan, and a lot of others beside Warfield, Hodge, Kuyper, and many too numerous to mention? And WHO beside the devil's deceived believe the satanic ideas of the blasphemer Finney?
@ChristianityForReal "who preached uncompromised truth."
Uncompromised garbage you mean! Have you EVER actually read one of his books? I lasted 125 pages through his lectures on revival. WOW what a nut!
Faith alone is the condition for justification. Faith in the Gospel and our Lord Jesus Christ as He is displayed there in. Christ did NOT just die to set a good, moral example or make us feel love or gratitude or any of the OTHER nonsense taught by Finney and his ilk. He earned our salvation!
@ChristianityForReal "DON'T TAKE IT FOR GRANTED THAT THE KING WILL FOLLOW YOU WHEREVER YOU GO."
Evidently you either do NOT read well or do NOT pay attention Aaron! Jesus said the Shepherd LEAVES the ninety and nine and GOES TO RETRIEVE the wandering lamb. See the dif? God bless.
@HumbleFaith777 …Why do you have difficulty with this ? An advocate is a Lawyer, if you are pronounced "not Guilty" , you would Not need such a "Lawyer before the Father", would you ? The reason that Christ is our advocate, is that we are saved from our 'past sins"(Rom 3:25) not present or future sins. And as 1.Jn.1, declares that, "if we say we have No sin, we Lie, and the Truth is not in us" (this verse alone refutes unconditional eternal security) which posits, that "sin nature" is ….
…still with us, and we need daily to "repent" of Transgressions. That is why Jesus said to "Take up the cross Daily, and follow Him" The "hub of the wheel of redemption", so to speak, resides in the "Seven feasts of the Lord",(Lev.23) in it we find the redemptive work of Christ portrayed in the "Passover , Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits , and Pentecost. (the last two being of course something, that 'Calvinist's know Nothing of, as they "have a form of Godliness, but Deny the power thereof")…
…the feast of firstfruits, was prepared with Two loaves of Bread, (signifying two "works of Grace") This feast did not concern Christ, but those He were to redeem, hence the "Leaven",(a "type" of Sin, or anti-type of Righteousness) was included in the two Loaves, yet the flour was to be " Two tenths deal ephah". (by that signifying that as the "tithe belongs to God", this was God's work in Man) yet the "leaven" signifies that in the "completness of salvation",which includes" Regeneration"…
…and "Sanctification", (one work immediate, the other progressive) still caries with it "Sin-Nature",(as per 1.Jn.1, hence the need for an Advocate), But once the Bread is "baked in the oven of the pentecostal fire" the "leaven is burned out" and the bread comes out "sweet and tasty". This is what John the Baptist alluded to, when He said "after me comes one who will "baptize you in the Holy Ghost and Fire", (refering to this firstfruit feast, and its fulfillment at Pentecost. It is this ….
…Two-fold work of Redemption, (which Calvinists deny) that Christ referred to in Jn.3:5, when He said; "Except a man be born of Water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven". That "water" is Not "water baptism", but rather "The washing of the water of the word", ( Eph.5:26,) and the second part, "the sanctification by the Spirit",(1.Pet.1:2) This "washing of the Water of the Word" , that brings about regeneration, is referred to in Col.2:11 as the "circumcission"….
…done without hands", It is of a "spiritual nature" and called the "baptism into Christ",and is the "Operation of God", (Col.2:12, and Not that of a pastor or elder baptizing you into water) That "sanctification," is a "second" and "prominent work of Grace", that brings about "firstfruit" Christians, is an "un-deniable biblical fact", declared in both Testaments, and something I am open to publically debate any Calvinist on. Hope you understand this so far. I will gladly answer your questions.
@ChristianityForReal
God bless you Brother Aaron and surround you with His love throughout the Blessed New Year to come! HOWEVER my point is that the Shepherd DOES go to seek the wandering sheep!
so then according to your view,christ payed for our sin in the sense that god took his wrath out on his son that was due us,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,this does not sound like a just god to me,making his beloved son to suffer for my sin,,,,,,,,,,this is foolish to think,the government of god was upon his shoulders,he died as a sinner.to bring the fullness of the mystery of god to all,this was the great price he payed,and this pleased the father that he was willing to sacrifice he life to bring this fullness of the mystery to man.
Every seeker of Truth must read and meditate on the Bible ALONE and then God will open their eyes to see the TRUTH which will set them free.We are taught by deceivers not to examine ones self to see whether we are in the faith.Therefore modern christianity is nothing but religious dogmas without any power to live in the foot steps of Jesus.We do not understand that a man will not be justified IN his sins but must repent (forsake,renounce and make restitution where possible) before God will forgive and grant freely His Spirit. God bless
Thankyou for sharing!
Nobody needs to expose Finney, just read what he said. There are a multitude of his books. A great saint of the Lord, far too advanced for reformed Christians.
Charles Finney had his critics then and now
Look at the fruit of that ministry ?
You critic how many people has God used you to lead many to repentance ?
A person may think their own ways are right,
but the LORD weighs the heart. ❤✝️
proverbs 21v2
Credit due to that ministry of that awakening in the America.., The fruit and strong ongoing fruit that came out of that. The strong conviction that people who gave them thoroughly to the Lord .
Was seen in the majority of those who came to Christ was seen years later..The beauty of the Holy Spirit's conviction in you and me shows us our pride, our critical hearts, our unbelief…
l ask what have you done for your Lord out of a willingness and conviction……?
as it is written
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test? 2 Cor 13 v5
Its surprising to see people with superficial understanding of G Finney theology ,criticising his work. The results of his teaching and preaching acn not be compared with shallow minded people. His love for God and Jesus, can only be understood by spiritual men who have taken time to study Finney's work.