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He says no germ would touch him and live. Then he'd never catch a cold. That would apply to us as well. What a load of balony. That clip of Katherine Kullman, you can see she's acting! She's like an actress on stage performing a play. She reminded me of the bride of Frankenstein. Justine is right. These false teachers are here because its of God's judgement from turning away from the truth to have our ears tickled.
I was going to watch this video with an open mind but I don't like ur saying woman looking like dudes and I can just hear the tone of ur voice u are not very open minded urself. God bless u
The CHARISMATIC HERESY / DOCTRINE OF DEMONS was created and propagated by the devil in order to subvert, undermine and effectively destroy the TRUE Pentecostal movement, which originated by God and led by the Holy Spirit, but which unfortunately BY NOW (in the "Western world", and especially in the United States), is hardly much more different than the Charismatics (the satanic prosperity gospel, word of faith, and all other false doctrines…)
Only the Eastern European Pentecostal movement (to the best of my personal KNOWLEDGE & EXPERIENCE) is still remaining true, however it is of course being compromised and watered down more and more through the western charismatic doctrines / infiltrators causing increasing falling away with every generation…
More and more modern people are falling away from it and going into the world, AND bringing worldliness, lukewarmness, materialism and liberalism into the church.
Why would you sow discord among the brethren? I have never once in my entire long years heard or seen a Pentecostal pastor talk disparagingly about another church or Christian movement. In fact, the Pentecostal church I attended for 16 years never once mentioned even one of the founding people you point out as somehow flawed. I will pray for you, that the Holy Spirit will truly arrest your heart and set you on the right path. Amen. Amen.
I guess Jesus was called a demon so if you are crazy enough to do what God said to do you are demonic. If Jesus was here and spat on the ground and put it on a blind man's eyes he would be ridiculed and called a demon that is why demons are eating your sons and daughters with cancer, diabetes, homosexuality and lesbianism
Sir, you should know better of the ministry of the prophet William Branham that God sent to this generation to restore the original Truth and to call His Bride out of Babilonian system… Make sure that you are part of the called out Church through the Message of the end time Elijah
I understand that some charismatic and pentecostal pastoral leaders have gone to an extreme abusing the gifts of the spirit that is completely out of scriptural order, therefore they give others a bad name, I attended a charismatic pentecostal church for 30 years with brothers and sisters who genuinely love the Lord, not once did I experience anyone out of order, except one time a visitor attended our service, during worship she got a little out of order that distracted others trying to worship, immediately some of the elders lovenly went over to minister to her, don't know what they said to her, but she complied and calmed down, long story short, she never returned, Mr Peter's I understand as a calvinist you disagree with other denominations and non denominations with some interpretations and teachings of scripture, especially in the area of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, the rapture, the tribulation, how to be saved and so on, and other biblical doctrines as well, that's what " your# interpretation of what you understand scripturally is correct, but you are not 100% scripturally correct, if you say that you are, than you're an arrogant self-righteousness deceived individual, and that goes for all your Christian colleagues who think likeminded as you, I realize there's a lot of bad bad apples out there in churches teaching man made false distorted twisted teachings, I know there's already apostate churches out there, many churches have giving in to the woke agenda and the LGBTQ+ as well as ecumenism, I know these things occurring in our world today are not of God, but of the devil who is deceiving millions, but for you to ruthlessly and constantly attacking and judging and condemning ALL pentecostals and charismatic churches and labeling them as unsaved and demonic, you are wrong by making yourself judge and executioner, that's what you're basically doing, I suppose the calvinist denomination church is God's chosen true church that is walking in complete obedience and correct divine interpretation of scripture, I believe if you make it to heaven you will be shockingly surprised who you incounter in heaven, and remember, not all pentecostals and charismatics are the same.
Thank you for the infos. Satan has heavily attacked the church that resulted casualties & bad memories. But i also do believe the practice of the charisma gifts is scriptural & not a thing of the past, except its abuses are undeniable They even go to dangerous extremism & extra biblical ideas . .The positive side of this phenomena is i've seen changed lives consistently in our community, drug addicts & broken family restored. Love for seeking God & His word & interest in mission among young ages are rising. The final judge has the last word to say!!!!
Justin you are being a judge over the law ,l sense no anointing in your presentation whatsoever and must conclude that God has not given permission to say much of your watchman like words .You are treading a dangerous line in speaking in general terms about the HSpirit ,his servants and giftings ,you are trying to harvest the wheat amoungst tares .
I attended a number of Word of Faith churches; none of them looked down on medical care. People were always advised to use wisdom and seek medical attention for illness and to believe in healing through prayer, the Word of God, and the power of the Holy Spirit.
Ironically, it was an alleged "Orthodox Presbyterian" college fellowship leader who told me that Christians should not go out of their way to care for their health, including exercising, because such activity was born out of a fear of dying. She also taught us not to study hard in college, not to work hard, and not to marry. She always identified Word of Faith teachers as false, but she had many false teachings of her own.
Word of Faith pastors taught me that Christians should be good stewards of all God has given them, including their health.
Yes, Pentecostals have made errors and should correct them, but they are not the only ones. Pentecostals need to study and teach the Bible line by line as Baptists do. Baptists need to anoint the sick with oil and expect them to be healed as the book of James teaches (it calls for the elders of the church, not the apostles, to do so).
Also Baptists need to acknowledge that believers received the baptism of the Holy Spirit when the apostles laid hands on them; that is clearly not the same as being saved which is accomplished by belief and confession.
Everyone has mistakes to correct; "let God be true, and every man a liar" (every means every).
This is blanket condemnation based on ignorant prejudice.. a smear campaign against millions of Godly Christians who happen not to agree with Calvinist teachings, and who also would have nothing to do with the 'prosperity gospel'/'word of faith', or with people like Kenneth Copeland, Bill Johnson, Steven Furtick, etc etc, and their ilk.. I note that Justin Peters is a side kick of John MacArthur who once referred, with such grace and humility, to millions of sound, born again Christians as 'raving charismatics' It's called 'throwing the baby out with the bath water'.. Take the blinkers off brother Peters, humble yourselves and accept that you and so-called 'Grace' Church are not exclusively privy to the work of the Holy Spirit in the Body of Christ.. All praise glory and honour to our Heavenly Father and to Christ Jesus our Saviour seated at His right hand, and to the Holy Spirit sent to reveal Christ in all His fullness, to His people..
The issue I have with this kind of presentation is that you use ppl who went to the extremes as examples of what Pentecostalism is. I would be unfair of me to use Zwingle's murderous actions of drowning the anabaptists as an example or use the reformers' reliance on state power to entrench themselves as an example of reformation. John Calvin also killed his opponents
I don't know where you got this or why you equate this with the entire Pentecostal community. 1. God is the same yesterday today and forever. So do you believe the Bible is the word of God or only the parts you understand? 2. We wholeheartedly believe in the blessed trinity 3. There are people who sin in every religion as religion is man-made 4. You picked people whom a lot of Pentecostal people don't follow ie. Joyce Myers who we all know is a false teacher. And we teach study to show yourself approved. We study the word of God and these examples are false prophets. 4. I've been Pentecostal for decades never heard of these"generals" 5. I've never paid to have people pray for or with me 6. Hmm just went to get my mammogram at the Dr's.
We believe God can use Dr's to heal you. I pray you listen to God and understand that division is not what He wants in the body of Christ. Lastly, I invite you to my church. Come see . Yes we have tithes and offerings but our blessings from God are according to His will and not on what we've given. Also we just studied on when Jesus stated the parable of the blind man whom the Phareses said his parents must have sinned so he became blind. Remember that? What did Jesus say? Neither he nor his parents sinned.
John Calvin? That’s who Justin sites as an example? The one who led a theocracy in Geneva who banished and even killed those who disagreed with them? The one whose followers started a movement called Calvinism whose five points are straight out of the pit of Hell.
Justin also sites Spurgeon, the Baptist preacher of the 19th century who said that “Calvinism is the gospel of Jesus Christ” and who had an affinity for smoking cigars. “One of the greatest preachers ever” who is quoted by even some Pentecostals today, couldn’t even whip a tobacco addiction.
So a woman should not preach??!!!😂 In the bible didn't David to involved in immorality??!!! When Christ was healing a man with mud and spittle doesnt seem to be demonic??!! All I would like to say it's mistakes and weaknesses doesn't discredit you to be used by God… Isaaliah also prophesied of the death of Hezekiah and then God send him back to prophesy long life again??!!!.. mistakes doesn't mean that God wasn't with them… I do agree that they might have made mistakes as for the virus a about J.G Lake what does mark 16… Would let me Know of Deborah , Esther where they not used by God??!!! …
I was an eye-witness to the birth of the Charismatic Renewal in America in the late 1960s to early 1970s, and it was so refreshing and reviving! Now in 2023, however, I am convinced that the "charismatic" churches (at least in my area) have no charisma in them at all. Here where I live they are 99% pop-culture entertainment centers almost totally devoid of any trace of the Holy Spirit's power or presence. My impression is that the Charismatic Movement died years ago, and the only thing left is its name. I weep for the loss of what God was doing among us in those days.
He says no germ would touch him and live. Then he'd never catch a cold. That would apply to us as well. What a load of balony. That clip of Katherine Kullman, you can see she's acting! She's like an actress on stage performing a play. She reminded me of the bride of Frankenstein.
Justine is right. These false teachers are here because its of God's judgement from turning away from the truth to have our ears tickled.
This is such a wonderful resource. Thank you so much Justin. God bless you brother.
Justin is a MOCKER of the HOLY SPIRIT !!! Because of ignorance on the work of the Holy SPIRIT !!!
I was going to watch this video with an open mind but I don't like ur saying woman looking like dudes and I can just hear the tone of ur voice u are not very open minded urself. God bless u
So does this mean , that Foursquare church is suspect, since Aimee sempleton was their founder?
Your eyes look a little suspect, but that's just me. "…man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart." (1 Samuel 16:7).
The CHARISMATIC HERESY / DOCTRINE OF DEMONS was created and propagated by the devil in order to subvert, undermine and effectively destroy the TRUE Pentecostal movement, which originated by God and led by the Holy Spirit, but which unfortunately BY NOW (in the "Western world", and especially in the United States), is hardly much more different than the Charismatics (the satanic prosperity gospel, word of faith, and all other false doctrines…)
Only the Eastern European Pentecostal movement (to the best of my personal KNOWLEDGE & EXPERIENCE) is still remaining true, however it is of course being compromised and watered down more and more through the western charismatic doctrines / infiltrators causing increasing falling away with every generation…
More and more modern people are falling away from it and going into the world, AND bringing worldliness, lukewarmness, materialism and liberalism into the church.
Why would you sow discord among the brethren? I have never once in my entire long years heard or seen a Pentecostal pastor talk disparagingly about another church or Christian movement. In fact, the Pentecostal church I attended for 16 years never once mentioned even one of the founding people you point out as somehow flawed. I will pray for you, that the Holy Spirit will truly arrest your heart and set you on the right path. Amen. Amen.
I guess Jesus was called a demon so if you are crazy enough to do what God said to do you are demonic. If Jesus was here and spat on the ground and put it on a blind man's eyes he would be ridiculed and called a demon that is why demons are eating your sons and daughters with cancer, diabetes, homosexuality and lesbianism
Sir, you should know better of the ministry of the prophet William Branham that God sent to this generation to restore the original Truth and to call His Bride out of Babilonian system… Make sure that you are part of the called out Church through the Message of the end time Elijah
Shalom
Justin could you explain Calvanism to us and explain. I have listened to you for years.
I understand that some charismatic and pentecostal pastoral leaders have gone to an extreme abusing the gifts of the spirit that is completely out of scriptural order, therefore they give others a bad name, I attended a charismatic pentecostal church for 30 years with brothers and sisters who genuinely love the Lord, not once did I experience anyone out of order, except one time a visitor attended our service, during worship she got a little out of order that distracted others trying to worship, immediately some of the elders lovenly went over to minister to her, don't know what they said to her, but she complied and calmed down, long story short, she never returned, Mr Peter's I understand as a calvinist you disagree with other denominations and non denominations with some interpretations and teachings of scripture, especially in the area of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, the rapture, the tribulation, how to be saved and so on, and other biblical doctrines as well, that's what " your# interpretation of what you understand scripturally is correct, but you are not 100% scripturally correct, if you say that you are, than you're an arrogant self-righteousness deceived individual, and that goes for all your Christian colleagues who think likeminded as you, I realize there's a lot of bad bad apples out there in churches teaching man made false distorted twisted teachings, I know there's already apostate churches out there, many churches have giving in to the woke agenda and the LGBTQ+ as well as ecumenism, I know these things occurring in our world today are not of God, but of the devil who is deceiving millions, but for you to ruthlessly and constantly attacking and judging and condemning ALL pentecostals and charismatic churches and labeling them as unsaved and demonic, you are wrong by making yourself judge and executioner, that's what you're basically doing, I suppose the calvinist denomination church is God's chosen true church that is walking in complete obedience and correct divine interpretation of scripture, I believe if you make it to heaven you will be shockingly surprised who you incounter in heaven, and remember, not all pentecostals and charismatics are the same.
Thank you for the infos. Satan has heavily attacked the church that resulted casualties & bad memories. But i also do believe the practice of the charisma gifts is scriptural & not a thing of the past, except its abuses are undeniable They even go to dangerous extremism & extra biblical ideas . .The positive side of this phenomena is i've seen changed lives consistently in our community, drug addicts & broken family restored. Love for seeking God & His word & interest in mission among young ages are rising. The final judge has the last word to say!!!!
Justin you are being a judge over the law ,l sense no anointing in your presentation whatsoever and must conclude that God has not given permission to say much of your watchman like words .You are treading a dangerous line in speaking in general terms about the HSpirit ,his servants and giftings ,you are trying to harvest the wheat amoungst tares .
HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH DEMONS FROM ANGELS WHEN YOU ARE LIVING IN SIN?
Justin should look into the history of his own Calvinist teaching, which is false.
Yes and Sid Roth was running with Kathrine Kuhlman at that time…70's
I attended a number of Word of Faith churches; none of them looked down on medical care. People were always advised to use wisdom and seek medical attention for illness and to believe in healing through prayer, the Word of God, and the power of the Holy Spirit.
Ironically, it was an alleged "Orthodox Presbyterian" college fellowship leader who told me that Christians should not go out of their way to care for their health, including exercising, because such activity was born out of a fear of dying. She also taught us not to study hard in college, not to work hard, and not to marry. She always identified Word of Faith teachers as false, but she had many false teachings of her own.
Word of Faith pastors taught me that Christians should be good stewards of all God has given them, including their health.
Yes, Pentecostals have made errors and should correct them, but they are not the only ones. Pentecostals need to study and teach the Bible line by line as Baptists do. Baptists need to anoint the sick with oil and expect them to be healed as the book of James teaches (it calls for the elders of the church, not the apostles, to do so).
Also Baptists need to acknowledge that believers received the baptism of the Holy Spirit when the apostles laid hands on them; that is clearly not the same as being saved which is accomplished by belief and confession.
Everyone has mistakes to correct; "let God be true, and every man a liar" (every means every).
This is blanket condemnation based on ignorant prejudice.. a smear campaign against millions of Godly Christians who happen not to agree with Calvinist teachings, and who also would have nothing to do with the 'prosperity gospel'/'word of faith', or with people like Kenneth Copeland, Bill Johnson, Steven Furtick, etc etc, and their ilk.. I note that Justin Peters is a side kick of John MacArthur who once referred, with such grace and humility, to millions of sound, born again Christians as 'raving charismatics' It's called 'throwing the baby out with the bath water'.. Take the blinkers off brother Peters, humble yourselves and accept that you and so-called 'Grace' Church are not exclusively privy to the work of the Holy Spirit in the Body of Christ.. All praise glory and honour to our Heavenly Father and to Christ Jesus our Saviour seated at His right hand, and to the Holy Spirit sent to reveal Christ in all His fullness, to His people..
The issue I have with this kind of presentation is that you use ppl who went to the extremes as examples of what Pentecostalism is.
I would be unfair of me to use Zwingle's murderous actions of drowning the anabaptists as an example or use the reformers' reliance on state power to entrench themselves as an example of reformation.
John Calvin also killed his opponents
I don't know where you got this or why you equate this with the entire Pentecostal community. 1. God is the same yesterday today and forever. So do you believe the Bible is the word of God or only the parts you understand?
2. We wholeheartedly believe in the blessed trinity
3. There are people who sin in every religion as religion is man-made
4. You picked people whom a lot of Pentecostal people don't follow ie. Joyce Myers who we all know is a false teacher. And we teach study to show yourself approved. We study the word of God and these examples are false prophets.
4. I've been Pentecostal for decades never heard of these"generals"
5. I've never paid to have people pray for or with me
6. Hmm just went to get my mammogram at the Dr's.
We believe God can use Dr's to heal you.
I pray you listen to God and understand that division is not what He wants in the body of Christ. Lastly, I invite you to my church. Come see . Yes we have tithes and offerings but our blessings from God are according to His will and not on what we've given. Also we just studied on when Jesus stated the parable of the blind man whom the Phareses said his parents must have sinned so he became blind. Remember that? What did Jesus say? Neither he nor his parents sinned.
John Calvin? That’s who Justin sites as an example? The one who led a theocracy in Geneva who banished and even killed those who disagreed with them? The one whose followers started a movement called Calvinism whose five points are straight out of the pit of Hell.
Justin also sites Spurgeon, the Baptist preacher of the 19th century who said that “Calvinism is the gospel of Jesus Christ” and who had an affinity for smoking cigars. “One of the greatest preachers ever” who is quoted by even some Pentecostals today, couldn’t even whip a tobacco addiction.
My mouth is dropped open 😮 that’s scary stuff
Perfect rescue.
So a woman should not preach??!!!😂 In the bible didn't David to involved in immorality??!!! When Christ was healing a man with mud and spittle doesnt seem to be demonic??!! All I would like to say it's mistakes and weaknesses doesn't discredit you to be used by God… Isaaliah also prophesied of the death of Hezekiah and then God send him back to prophesy long life again??!!!.. mistakes doesn't mean that God wasn't with them… I do agree that they might have made mistakes as for the virus a about J.G Lake what does mark 16… Would let me Know of Deborah , Esther where they not used by God??!!! …
I was an eye-witness to the birth of the Charismatic Renewal in America in the late 1960s to early 1970s, and it was so refreshing and reviving! Now in 2023, however, I am convinced that the "charismatic" churches (at least in my area) have no charisma in them at all. Here where I live they are 99% pop-culture entertainment centers almost totally devoid of any trace of the Holy Spirit's power or presence. My impression is that the Charismatic Movement died years ago, and the only thing left is its name. I weep for the loss of what God was doing among us in those days.
Rubbish!