Voddie Baucham explains the problem with Jesus movies. With The Chosen and Passion of the Christ. Reasons to subscribe: 1) …
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Unless you are worshiping that imagine it is NOT, against the 2nd Commandment! One of the only things I disagree with Pastor Baucham. If its something that brings you joy bc it makes you think of your Savior, then it is NOT an idol. If you worship any physical item, even if it’s a cross, that is a graven imagine! Only The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are worthy of worship! Praise God!!
In regards to the commandment. The whole scope of it mentions not even recreating any images of things on earth or Heaven or in the waters. So does this qualify all art as sinful? Does that mean all the art and CRAVING AND IMAGES of the tabernacle and temples that God instructed to be made so is sinful? People with this view point ALWAYS forget the ladder part of the verse.. not to make them to bow down and worship them, God isn’t contained in tiny images. But what about illustrations of Jesus for teaching purposes and sharing the gospel? Of course they aren’t perfect representations of what Jesus looked like, but is any drawing? He’s an example, if I drew a picture of Tom Brady people could recognize that as him. However if I threw the drawing in the football field and expected it to play well… then I would be the wrong one. Putting more expectations on the drawing than the actual person.
When we read God’s word do we not formulate in our minds the character of Jesus? I think it is a far reach to think a person who is portraying Jesus in a biblical event could be considered an idol. Do we really worship the person who played the role of Jesus in “The Greatest Story Ever Told” or the “Bible series” or do we outlaw all Nativity Sets?
I think 1 Corinthians 8 is a good way to address this. I don't see anything wrong with watching these movies. If any of these movies or shows causes someone to "stumble" (as it says in the passage) then better to not watch it. The image of Jesus tends to be malleable through different cultures. I know a painting of Jesus in Asian cultures tends to look Asian. Seen a painting of Jesus that represented him as African. Of course there is also the European version of his image. The one thing that didn't change from all that… His words and teachings! I've never seen (maybe others have) anyone praying to these paintings or drawings. Need to get over this legalistic mentality. Or should children who draw Jesus in their Sunday School classes be admonished as well? That would seem a little silly to me >.<
I don't see anything wrong with having framed pictures of Jesus in my home. Plus I have this beautiful holy cross pendant with the Lord's prayer on it that I wear around my neck all the time. It doesn't mean that I've made myself a graven image that I worship over him. It just means that I am strongly devoted to Jesus Christ and I love him and love having his image in my presence. In one of my old Bibles from my childhood, that graven image commandment wasn't even there. The ones from it that I had were:
1. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord, thy God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the sabbath day.
4. Honour thy father and thy mother.
5. Thou shalt not kill.
6. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
7. Thou shalt not steal.
8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Artistic renderings of Christ, no matter the medium, are often hokey. I am on the same page as Voddie on most things, but not on the second commandment issue.
It was forbidden in the OT because we didn't have God in human form until the Incarnation. The first and second century Christians didn't have a problem with images of Jesus as they had such images etched into the walls of the catacombs.
Exodus 20:4 KJV [4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
I’m good w/the Chosen they Mormons. Funded by Mormons backed by Mormons. We do not worship the same Jesus. The creator of the chosen is lukewarm. I’ll stick to reading the word .
The problem I encounter is the portrayal of God in the flesh is almost always inadequate. The hypostatic union is completely unique and unfathomable in human experience. Most dramatic expressions portray a wooden mythical character doing magical feats that demean who Jesus IS. I think it is far better to study His word and follow His way than to dwell on imaginings.
If Jesus is human but also God because he supposedly said so, then why shouldn't I worship Ramesses II the Pharoah that claimed he is God as well? Please make it make sense. I refuse to worship another human
I agree with Voddie and the BIBLE. As the Bible doesn't tell us what Jesus looked like it is because we do not need to know, nor does God want us to. Can you think of a greater delusion Satan could set up to deceive believers and non believers alike than to have someone appear like the way Jesus is portrayed in these movies? It is one of his triumphs that even if you asked a non Christian who this person is, they would say "Jesus". We are warned about this clearly in the commandments, yet for some reason people continue to disobey. When pointing this out the usual response is " oh you're legalistic" and " judgemental" (this has been from Christians).😞❤️🇦🇺
Love you, brother, but this is a poor explanation of the second commandment. Representation of the Second Person of the Trinity, the Image of the invisible God, is not what is being spoken of in the second commandment. It is speaking of the First Person of the Trinity. Deuteronomy 4 starting in verse 15 makes it clear that they were not to make an image of God, because they had not seen Him, but the Pre-Incarnate Christ did appear numerous times throughout the exodus— to Moses, in the tabernacle, in the cloud, before the elders on Sinai, before the rock that Moses struck… But the key to all of it is creating a representation for the purpose of worship. If it were just simply a sin to create, then according to Deuteronomy 4, we would be forbidden from creating any artistic representation of any, person, animal or celestial being— even taking a picture of such things…
As a Biblical filmmaker myself, I have pondered and prayed about these things for years, and whereas I have grown to be more considerate of being sensitive to the conscience issues of my brothers and sisters, I do not believe representations of Christ can be legitimately argued to be second commandment violations when using a proper hermeneutic.
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I agree with him
Unless you are worshiping that imagine it is NOT, against the 2nd Commandment! One of the only things I disagree with Pastor Baucham. If its something that brings you joy bc it makes you think of your Savior, then it is NOT an idol. If you worship any physical item, even if it’s a cross, that is a graven imagine! Only The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are worthy of worship! Praise God!!
Holy icons Jesus is God and the devil wants you to believe that you need to get rid of pictures the Catholic church is our lord Jesus church
Throw out your pictures of Jesus? Sounds like something the devil would say. Just an observation.
In regards to the commandment. The whole scope of it mentions not even recreating any images of things on earth or Heaven or in the waters. So does this qualify all art as sinful? Does that mean all the art and CRAVING AND IMAGES of the tabernacle and temples that God instructed to be made so is sinful? People with this view point ALWAYS forget the ladder part of the verse.. not to make them to bow down and worship them, God isn’t contained in tiny images. But what about illustrations of Jesus for teaching purposes and sharing the gospel? Of course they aren’t perfect representations of what Jesus looked like, but is any drawing? He’s an example, if I drew a picture of Tom Brady people could recognize that as him. However if I threw the drawing in the football field and expected it to play well… then I would be the wrong one. Putting more expectations on the drawing than the actual person.
When we read God’s word do we not formulate in our minds the character of Jesus? I think it is a far reach to think a person who is portraying Jesus in a biblical event could be considered an idol. Do we really worship the person who played the role of Jesus in “The Greatest Story Ever Told” or the “Bible series” or do we outlaw all Nativity Sets?
I think 1 Corinthians 8 is a good way to address this. I don't see anything wrong with watching these movies. If any of these movies or shows causes someone to "stumble" (as it says in the passage) then better to not watch it. The image of Jesus tends to be malleable through different cultures. I know a painting of Jesus in Asian cultures tends to look Asian. Seen a painting of Jesus that represented him as African. Of course there is also the European version of his image. The one thing that didn't change from all that… His words and teachings! I've never seen (maybe others have) anyone praying to these paintings or drawings. Need to get over this legalistic mentality. Or should children who draw Jesus in their Sunday School classes be admonished as well? That would seem a little silly to me >.<
I don't see anything wrong with having framed pictures of Jesus in my home. Plus I have this beautiful holy cross pendant with the Lord's prayer on it that I wear around my neck all the time. It doesn't mean that I've made myself a graven image that I worship over him. It just means that I am strongly devoted to Jesus Christ and I love him and love having his image in my presence. In one of my old Bibles from my childhood, that graven image commandment wasn't even there. The ones from it that I had were:
1. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord, thy God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the sabbath day.
4. Honour thy father and thy mother.
5. Thou shalt not kill.
6. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
7. Thou shalt not steal.
8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's spouse.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods.
There you have it.
~Dutch
Artistic renderings of Christ, no matter the medium, are often hokey. I am on the same page as Voddie on most things, but not on the second commandment issue.
What do you call words? Letters. This makes no sense to me.
Amen, graven images
It was forbidden in the OT because we didn't have God in human form until the Incarnation. The first and second century Christians didn't have a problem with images of Jesus as they had such images etched into the walls of the catacombs.
Exodus 20:4 KJV
[4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
The man is correct because he's quoting scripture. For those that have a problem with what he is saying, you don't know the Word of God.
I’m good w/the Chosen they Mormons. Funded by Mormons backed by Mormons. We do not worship the same
Jesus. The creator of the chosen is lukewarm. I’ll stick to reading the word .
The problem I encounter is the portrayal of God in the flesh is almost always inadequate. The hypostatic union is completely unique and unfathomable in human experience. Most dramatic expressions portray a wooden mythical character doing magical feats that demean who Jesus IS. I think it is far better to study His word and follow His way than to dwell on imaginings.
I agree with most other commenters here. You normally knock it outta the park, but this was a swing and a miss.
Jesus is also fully human and the New Testament makes it clear that he has been seen and touched, unlike the Father in the Old Testament.
If Jesus is human but also God because he supposedly said so, then why shouldn't I worship Ramesses II the Pharoah that claimed he is God as well? Please make it make sense. I refuse to worship another human
Sorry but I disagree
I agree with Voddie and the BIBLE.
As the Bible doesn't tell us what Jesus looked like it is because we do not need to know, nor does God want us to.
Can you think of a greater delusion Satan could set up to deceive believers and non believers alike than to have someone appear like the way Jesus is portrayed in these movies? It is one of his triumphs that even if you asked a non Christian who this person is, they would say "Jesus".
We are warned about this clearly in the commandments, yet for some reason people continue to disobey.
When pointing this out the usual response is " oh you're legalistic" and
" judgemental" (this has been from Christians).😞❤️🇦🇺
Love you, brother, but this is a poor explanation of the second commandment. Representation of the Second Person of the Trinity, the Image of the invisible God, is not what is being spoken of in the second commandment. It is speaking of the First Person of the Trinity. Deuteronomy 4 starting in verse 15 makes it clear that they were not to make an image of God, because they had not seen Him, but the Pre-Incarnate Christ did appear numerous times throughout the exodus— to Moses, in the tabernacle, in the cloud, before the elders on Sinai, before the rock that Moses struck… But the key to all of it is creating a representation for the purpose of worship. If it were just simply a sin to create, then according to Deuteronomy 4, we would be forbidden from creating any artistic representation of any, person, animal or celestial being— even taking a picture of such things…
As a Biblical filmmaker myself, I have pondered and prayed about these things for years, and whereas I have grown to be more considerate of being sensitive to the conscience issues of my brothers and sisters, I do not believe representations of Christ can be legitimately argued to be second commandment violations when using a proper hermeneutic.
i dont agree!